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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-11-21 07:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #3975 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3975 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
It feels at least a little weird if you consistently love the idea of gay characters not being gay.

I'm not sure I like this wording... it's probably not intentional, but it sounds like the people who tell bisexual people in straight-passing relationships that they can't use the queer label because they're 'straight at the moment'.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, but I've noticed it's a pretty common sentiment in the "HDU ship a gay person with a member of the opposite sex" club.

Gay erasure is no bueno, but bi erasure? Just fine. In fact, should be encouraged. Yeeeeeeeah... There actually is a "B" in that acronym, ladies and gents.

/bisexual who's more than a little bitter

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
But if a character is canonically gay, they aren't bi, so what "erasure" are you talking about here?

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a lesbian, and I'm not cool with bi erasure. For instance, I've called out my lesbian friends who referred to Korra and Asami as lesbians when they're canonically bisexual. I would never write a fic where I make a canon bi character gay, and, as a matter of fact, I actually headcanon more characters as bisexual than gay.

That said, I'm a lesbian, so I'm more excited by lesbian representation than bisexual representation. I don't believe this makes me biphobic. I think most people are like this. They are most excited by seeing things that represent them, so I understand why bisexual people are more excited by bi rep than gay rep.

I'm equally as unimpressed by lesbians who erase bi characters' bisexuality and refer to them as "lesbians" and then get angry when bi people do the reverse as I am unimpressed by bi people who erase lesbian characters' lesbianism and refer to them as "bi" and then get angry when lesbians do the reverse.

But yeah, erasing canon lesbian characters and making them bi makes me uncomfortable, so I wouldn't erase a character's bisexuality. Treat people the way you want to be treated and all that yada yada.

Also: I think it's fine for bi and gay people to headcanon straight characters as either bi or gay, and it's definitely not bi erasure, imo. Headcanons aren't representation, and I think it's slightly cruel to tell gay people that they're only allowed to headcanon canon straight characters are bi when 99% of characters are het and MANY gay people have been in heterosexual relationships before realizing that they're gay.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Wild applause. Thank you.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Your comment makes no sense, and you're definitely reaching. Bi people are bisexual. They aren't gay.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Bi people are bisexual, but it is amazing how they are automatically lumped in as hetero when in a hetero relationship, and automatically assumed to be gay when in a same-sex relationship.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
weird how this thread wasn't at all about that then

(Anonymous) 2017-11-22 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
No one is saying that.

A canon gay character is not a canon bi character. People are expressing their discomfort AS GAY PEOPLE at their sexualities being erased because they're gay. Especially when there's maybe a handful of gay characters as it is.