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⌈ Secret Post #3979 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, wanting a small joy in life but also needing to buy food is "selfish and entitled. " Guess I'll just do the noble thing and suffer, then. Also where the hell are books 99 cents? Everything I want is usually a at least $10. If something is only a dollar than yes, obviously, I'll probably pay for it - but I'm not spending what I can't afford on books that are probably making well enough money as is. I'm not talking indie authors with cheap books here, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

We are talking about e books. You can often get them for free in many legitimate ways, as many people upthread have suggested. Otherwise, they are frequently $.99 or even cheaper. Don't bullshit me that you're choosing between an ebook costing literal cents and starvation. I simply don't believe you. You're probably writing this from your parents' house. Grow up.

[(Anonymous)]

I am talking about ebooks - which yep, DO often cost around $10 on Amazon, and often are NOT available from my local library.

Also no, I am not LITERALLY chosen between buying dinner and books on an every day basis. But I have this past month skipped meals to save my family money and I'm fully aware that a $5 or $10 novel COULD pay for food or gas or some other bill instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Surprise: when you are an adult you have to make these choices. Do I technically have the funds to buy myself a new book, go to the cinema or replace my gunky tube of mascara every month? Technically, yes. But that would mean I couldn't buy my kids healthy fresh fruit and veg; I'd have to offer them cheaper junkier alternatives. I had to make the choice to sacrifice my own luxuries because I couldn't afford them as well as my other responsibilities. That doesn't mean I think I'm OWED those books or movies or makeup (which would indeed make me very happy to own). If I walked into the store and stole them, I would be arrested, and that's absolutely 100% right.

[(Anonymous)]

If you walked into a store and took the physical copy of a movie or a mascara, you'd be preventing another customer form buying the object. That's stealing. But if you walked to a store, looked at mascara, and then came back home and created an exact copy of it for your personal use, nobody would arrest you, and nobody would claim that you "stole" the mascara from them.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the only way your scenario is equivalent is if you took and used a formula a specific person work hard to create in order to reproduce that mascara you like so much - created in the hope of being able to make a living by it. Haven't you just robbed them of their livelihood? And if you're ok about making a copy of someone else's intellectual property in that fashion, do you also feel that plagiarism is morally acceptable?

[(Anonymous)]

You've ever been to a DIY website?

[(Anonymous)]

da I am talking about ebooks - which yep, DO often cost around $10 on Amazon, and often are NOT available from my local library.

Then... read some of the books that your library does have? Or use Project Gutenberg (and maybe donate to them too) or read one of the millions of stories that are available for free on the internet? There is no shortage of reading matter in this world, if you won't buy.

Second hand bookshops and charity shops are good places to get very cheap books as well - often just a few pence. (Agreed that's not supporting the author directly but it's been a built-in part of the book retailing system for a long time and it's not a matter of "one person puts it up, umpteen people read it for free.) It's also supporting the s-h bookshop owner, therefore helping a high street somewhere, and/or the charity.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, I'll just "read something else." Not like I might specifically want to read a specific book or anything.

Look, if I can find a book I want for a reasonable price, or from a library, I'll usually do that first. But that's just NOT always the case.

[(Anonymous)]

Then you don't get to read it. There are plenty of things I want really badly that I wouldn't dream of stealing. You people sound like a bunch of children having tantrum over a sweetie.

[(Anonymous)]

Also? Guess who also needs money to buy food? The authors you're stealing from. Not sure how this didn't occur to you. Perhaps they're also suffering from depression and also on the breadline. But fuck them, right? It's all about you.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, they certainly don't care about their fans' situations - so yeah, fuck them.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you for fucking real? Are you seriously arguing that authors charging even just $.99 for their works = don't care about fans? Just... Wtf are you even trying to get at here? You are not making any sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf.

[(Anonymous)]

Not buying your books is not "stealing". You're not losing anything because of piracy: presumably everyone who pirated your book wouldn't have bought it anyway, even if piracy wasn't an option. And if they read it legally via a library, or by borrowing it from a friend, they also wouldn't have brought any food to your table.

[(Anonymous)]

Libraries usually BUY the books they loan out in the first place. And if you're speaking individual sales, actually there are MANY people who would probably pony up $.99 for a book they were interested in if some pirate hadn't waved a free copy under their nose. It's very often simple opportunism. Whatever helps you sleep at night, though. I truly don't think the anons pedaling this view come out of this looking anything other than callous and self-absorbed.

[(Anonymous)]

A pirate also bought the book they uploaded. Same results.

How do you know that "many" people would buy this book, if the pirated version wans't available? Did you make a poll?

[(Anonymous)]

Um, how do YOU know that NO ONE would buy it? Obviously some people would. If it's easier to spend $.99 than not read the book, lots of people are going to pay. For most people, a dollar or two is not breaking the bank. The situation some people keep trying to push about people being so poor they have to choose between buying a book or buying food is going to be an aberration, not the norm. Most people pirate because it's easy - hey, why not save a couple of dollars when it's right here for the taking? But they don't NEED to.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but how many copies does a library buy? Probably just one, unless a book is a bestseller with a lot of people on the waiting list to read it, in which case they'll buy multiple copies. But for every ONE book they buy, potentially hundreds of people are reading it for free, and the author doesn't get any money from that.

[(Anonymous)]

for every ONE book they buy, potentially hundreds of people are reading it for free, and the author doesn't get any money from that.

Public Lending Right is a thing in many countries.

[(Anonymous)]

The author is getting circulation numbers and statistics. If the book goes out enough, the library system might buy more copies. The circulation numbers are fed back to the publishers and the publishers use them in their decision making in author contracts.

Getting a book out from the library could get an author a higher advance, higher book run numbers, a bigger contract for books in the series. It may not be "Oh, the author got 25 cents from this book I took out on loan from the library." It's not that direct. It still helps authors get more money from publishers by proving to the publishers they are "a sure bet."

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, if you read the Maggie Steifvater tumblr post, you'll find this is a fallacy. It's not 2001 anymore. When the fans of Maggie couldn't find a "legit" pirated ebook copy of the book, they did this funny thing. They went out and bought it. She ran out of physical print books and her publishing had to print another run of them. Because they'd limited the first run of print books, due to the fact her second book didn't sell as well in e-book format. Because... ebook piracy.

IF a pirate can't find a legitimate copy of something and they want that something bad enough. THEY WILL BUY IT. This is mice nibbling at the edges of the cheese anymore. It's an epidemic.

[(Anonymous)]

No, they won't. There have been many books I've searched for a pirated copy of, and didn't find any. You know what I did? I went to a library for it instead.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's great, because you supported a community project and provided stats that will help the author. Pirating does none of that. It is an entirely selfish act.

[(Anonymous)]

Anything on a tumblr post is not worth reading.