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⌈ Secret Post #3980 ⌋

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[The Big Family Cooking Showdown]

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[Michael Fassbender/Alicia Vikander]

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[Team Fourstar/Dragon Ball Z Abridged]

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[Nurarihyon no Mago]

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[Candice Swanepoel (Victoria's Secret)]

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(Stranger Things, season 2)

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Even if a book/movie/video game/etc keeps someone from killing themselves? Or brings them out of a terrible depression?

Yes, because it doesn't actually work that way. Try therapy.

Yep, someone who has to resort to illegal downloads can TOTALLY afford to pay a professional therapist. Excuse me while I wonder where your grasp on reality is.

Not in 'Murrica.

Where, incidentally, you still have a hell of a lot of free crisis resources. Staffed by people who are actually trained in assisting someone in the middle of a mental health crisis, which is an actually effective way to manage the situation, unlike pretending you can just apply fiction to the problem.

Because EVERY mentally ill person lives in America, didn't you know? Also everyone apparently copes in the same way.

America's mental health systems are not exactly top notch, my friend, and not everyone lives in America. If you don't have access to proper mental health care, "applying fiction" might not be a cure, but it might be a way to manage it for people who don't have better options.

As someone going to those "free crisis resources," you have to pay for medication and I haven't been able to get into therapy in the one and half a year I've been there while my case managed changes every other month.

Also, surprise, me doing various video games has actually calmed me down from being suicidal! Gasp, shock, horror! Apparently MORE THAN ONE THING WORKS FOR A PERSON! Because if I tried one of the crisis centers near here, I'd be sitting in a waiting room for hours because they're underpaid and understaffed. Must be nice where you live where it's readily available and not shit.

By this logic, somebody with a mental illness should be allowed access to any art without paying for it, because it MIGHT be the one thing that saves them.

Following this logic, should people with mental illnesses be able to just walk out of a store with make-up since it might boost their mood? What about a new outfit? Should mentally ill people just be allowed to go to a restaurant and not pay for food because they're trying to cure their depression by eating out?

As someone who is mentally ill, I would never dream of dining and dashing. So why should I have the right to steal from someone who worked hard to write a novel I enjoyed.

People's mental health is their own responsibility to deal with. I would never imagine that Tolkien didn't deserve to be paid for his work because LotR got me through adolescence.

Yeah. It's still wrong to take something that the creator wasn't giving away. I'm not saying that if you pirated something you deserve to go to jail forever; I've both pirated stuff and bootlegged performances--as in, I've illicitly recorded theatre and concerts--but I was being selfish every time, although I justify it to myself because if there was a way to purchase a legal recording of the shows I attended, I would. But if I'd been caught I couldn't have justified it by saying listening to my crappy recordings helped my depression.

Now, if you were starving and stole food, or freezing and stole a blanket, I think that'd be different, because at that point you wouldn't really care if the blanket was orange plaid or blue stripes, or if the sandwich was tuna or chicken salad, just that you were full and warm. But entertainment doesn't work that way; you wouldn't be content with a beat-up volume 27 of Reader's Digest Condensed Books instead of an illegal download of the new Thor movie.

I don't think people should neccessarily go to jail for pirating stuff, but I think people like the OP of yesterday's secret, who pirate rather than go to their local library that they still have access to, are being selfish. They aren't out of other options, the library still exists, but they're freezing and hungry and arguing about the color of their blanket and the meat in their sandwich.

I didn't say anything to yesterday's secret maker except that they should check out their library's ebook options, because I didn't want to kick someone who was already down. But I think pirating stuff when there's a way to legally get their hands on it for free if they'd just wait a bit is shitty. Especially with books, because enough missed sales can fuck with an individual author enough that they might have to not write as much so they can concentrate on earning money to buy food and clothes and stuff.

Do you not underatand that not every random bit of entertainment available for free is going to help someone in the same way that a specific one meaningful and relatable to THEM will? Jeez. Talk about thick.

How do they know that specific thing is the only thing that will help them if they don't already have it?

Except they wouldn’t know that specific thing would slap a bandaid on their depression until they’d already stolen it. There are lots of creators who actually risk starving or freezing if no one buys their work because most everyone pirates it instead. Why do their needs not count, or their depression when their work they hoped to make a living from was stolen instead?

Tough shit. Still doesn't give them the right to steal from someone else.

I hope someone steals from you.

you wouldn't be content with a beat-up volume 27 of Reader's Digest Condensed Books instead of an illegal download of the new Thor movie.

You realize you're basically saying "you can have three rice crackers instead of a decent, filling meal," though? Sure, I'd take the crackers - but you can't call someone "selfish" or "shitty" for shoplifting a can of soup because your crackers didn't cut it and they were still starving.

What if a creator needs money to buy something to lift them out of depression? What if they need food? What if they're disabled and can't work, or live in an area with no jobs? Do they still not need to be paid?

Didn't you get the memo? Real artists are supposed to ~S~U~F~F~E~R~ for their art.

/sarcasm

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