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[ SECRET POST #3989 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3989 ⌋

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I enjoyed both movies, but in my head The Avengers are still living in Tony's custom rebuilt Avengers Tower.

Yes please. Fridays are Movie Night, everyone has their own coffee maker, and the worst that happens is when Bruce and Tony accidentally explode something while engaging in SCIENCE! It's silly and fluffy, and it's all I want in the world.

nayrt

I'd rather see a whole movie of this than either AoU or CW.

I don't know what's wrong with me, but this is what I want, too! I don't care about action or the world ending, or the infinity stones, or any of that bullshit. Just give me two hours of them making breakfast on Saturday morning, dammit.

And it would take them two hours as well.

YES!

THIS. The only parts of either movie that happened are we got Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, and Bucky came back. The end.

The rest is a fever dream!

They're all living in Avengers Tower with Tony and Pepper and it's ALL GOOD. :)

Same - I'm not bitter or angry, just no longer interested.

Hear Hear! I liked Thor: Ragnarok, but I see it as a AU fanfic. Like, it's a crazy story Thor is telling them the one Friday movie night no one could decide what to watch.

If you haven't checked out Avengers Assembled, it's got a lot more of that dynamic. It's a cartoon so kinda cheesy, but I like it a lot better than the MCU now.

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I know what you mean. I really enjoyed Winter Soldier - much more than I expected to, tbh. Age of Ultron was the pits and Civil War was marginally better but that's not saying much. I'm not going to hold my breath that Infinity War will be better.

The first (and pretty much only) MCU movie I ever enjoyed was the Winter Soldier, and while this is mostly because I never want anything to do with Robert Downey Jr. playing himself, huge ensemble films never really work for me because there's just not enough time in like, 2 hours to give them all enough focus to be actually relevant. It's just too gimmicky, and I hate having to constantly see screen time taken away from characters I actually care about so they can fit in the 36th superhero cameo (and counting).

I think that's my issue with it as well. One, I'm not a big RDJ fan. Nothing personal, but his characters tend to be pretty samey and to me that gets old quick. With the MCU, there are just too many characters and not enough time to flesh each one of them out in a meaningful way. They're just... there to be THERE, do a little fighting, maybe throw out a one-liner and that's pretty much it.

DA

Part of it was definitely too many characters. Another part was that Age of Ultron didn't stand on its own--it only existed to set up the next barrage of solo films. Most of it was how OOC everyone was. I will vomit forever at the scene where Black Widow tells the guy who destroys neighborhoods every time he loses his temper that she's the real monster because she can't have babies. Also? None of the movies did enough work establishing a relationship between Steve and Tony as anything other than occasional coworkers for me to feel anything about their falling-out in Civil War.

I still watch the Marvel movies that characters I care about appear in (sorry, Ant-Man, I'm just not that into you), but I stopped reading MCU fic after Civil War.

I'm bitter because I was in love with Steve/Tony and watching Steve gang up on Tony with Bucky 2-against-1 and beat him to a pulp when Tony was *already down* instead of I DON'T KNOW trying to talk him down from his grief rage and keeping the damage to a minimum broke my heart in freaking two.

I don't trust the writers anymore. They don't care about the characters. All they wanted was to make big fight scenes. Even if that meant pitting the characters we love against each other. I hate them. I hate them. Fuck them for ruining my love of the Avengers.

IMO, you don't have the luxury of time when you're dealing with an emotionally immature manchild in a giant killer robot suit, one who doesn't care that the person who killed his parents wasn't in a position to be responsible for his own actions at the time and is willing to straight up murder him in revenge.

Accurate.

Yeah like, I get feeling sad when your favorite dude gets shit on in a movie (ask me what I think about Thor's treatment in the MCU and particularly Ragnarok and I will show you my personal salt mine).

But Tony was literally trying to murder the Winter Soldier. He tried to murder a dude after spending the whole movie fucking over his friends. And Steve ran out of shits to give, hence him dropping the shield.

It's not like Tony was OOC in CW, this is totally in keeping with his character in the MCU. This is a dude who continuously does reckless shit and drives people away, and then course-corrects by veering hard in the opposite direction. (Pepper's mad about the superhero thing, okay well I'll destroy all the suits to make her happy. Oh no that was a bad idea, I'll make an ARMY OF SUITS to protect her! Oh wait, my army of suits got children killed, okay well I'll *imprison my friends* so that can't happen again!)

Please. If Tony wanted to murder him he would have used his missiles and lasers and all that crap. He just wanted to beat on Bucky. And Steve jumped in because the writers couldn't resist a free-for-all, even though Steve Rogers abhors bullies and only bullies gang up like that.

Steve was a shit to keep beating on Tony too after he was down. And slam his shield right where he'd had open heart surgery twice??? Tell me that's the Steve Rogers we love.

No, the writers were shit and I'm sorry, I'm done with trusting them with the characters I love.

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I missed this thread last night, but just so I'm clear, the decision you're knocking Tony on in this movie was him going for Bucky? Really? Because that ... that wasn't even a decision. That was just a straight up emotional reaction manipulated by the set-up. Of all the things in that movie you can blame him for, finding himself 100% out of the blue standing in the same room as his parents' murderer and abruptly snapping is ... really? You pick that?

Like, no offense, but if I walked into a room and was abruptly forced to watch my parents be murdered, only to turn around and find their murderer standing right beside me, I would 100% try to pound his fucking face in just out of sheer reflex. Regardless of any other circumstances. Like, ten minutes ago I didn't even know they had been murdered, and then I had to watch it, and now you want me to stand next to their killer and be reasonable?

I know it genuinely was not Bucky's fault. He was brainwashed and tortured into it, he had literally no choice. I'm not saying he in any way deserved to be hurt for it, and Steve did need to protect Bucky and keep Tony from straight-up killing him in a blind rage. But of all Tony's actions in the movie, that's the one you genuinely can't blame him for either. There is a time you can expect people to react rationally, and being abruptly catapulted into a 20 year old nightmare and presented with their parents' killer is not it. And, I mean, no offense to Steve, but throwing two years worth of lies in on top of an already fraught moment really did not help.

I'm just saying. Maybe mention some things in advance next time. You know, if you want your buddy not to get killed by the grieving results of his decades long involuntary assassination career. Because, you know, people rather understandably tend not to be too rational when they've just watched their loved ones be brutally murdered.

THIS. ALL OF THIS.

I mean I'm picturing myself. I am the most non-violent wimpy person ever. But if I was suddenly told that my mother didn't die in her sleep she was brutally murdered by a guy out of his mind on drugs and here's the video of it and this is the guy who's clean now so it's ok oh and also people knew and didn't tell me?

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I'd be trying to rip his throat out.

In addition to all the points people have made up-thread, I was pissed that Civil War, which is a Cap movie, had so goddamned much Tony in it. RDJ just can't resist taking over and the writers and producers went along with that. I was ready to join Steve in beating the crap out of Iron Man at the end, too.

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