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⌈ Secret Post #3989 ⌋

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I'm bitter because I was in love with Steve/Tony and watching Steve gang up on Tony with Bucky 2-against-1 and beat him to a pulp when Tony was *already down* instead of I DON'T KNOW trying to talk him down from his grief rage and keeping the damage to a minimum broke my heart in freaking two.

I don't trust the writers anymore. They don't care about the characters. All they wanted was to make big fight scenes. Even if that meant pitting the characters we love against each other. I hate them. I hate them. Fuck them for ruining my love of the Avengers.

IMO, you don't have the luxury of time when you're dealing with an emotionally immature manchild in a giant killer robot suit, one who doesn't care that the person who killed his parents wasn't in a position to be responsible for his own actions at the time and is willing to straight up murder him in revenge.

Accurate.

Yeah like, I get feeling sad when your favorite dude gets shit on in a movie (ask me what I think about Thor's treatment in the MCU and particularly Ragnarok and I will show you my personal salt mine).

But Tony was literally trying to murder the Winter Soldier. He tried to murder a dude after spending the whole movie fucking over his friends. And Steve ran out of shits to give, hence him dropping the shield.

It's not like Tony was OOC in CW, this is totally in keeping with his character in the MCU. This is a dude who continuously does reckless shit and drives people away, and then course-corrects by veering hard in the opposite direction. (Pepper's mad about the superhero thing, okay well I'll destroy all the suits to make her happy. Oh no that was a bad idea, I'll make an ARMY OF SUITS to protect her! Oh wait, my army of suits got children killed, okay well I'll *imprison my friends* so that can't happen again!)

Please. If Tony wanted to murder him he would have used his missiles and lasers and all that crap. He just wanted to beat on Bucky. And Steve jumped in because the writers couldn't resist a free-for-all, even though Steve Rogers abhors bullies and only bullies gang up like that.

Steve was a shit to keep beating on Tony too after he was down. And slam his shield right where he'd had open heart surgery twice??? Tell me that's the Steve Rogers we love.

No, the writers were shit and I'm sorry, I'm done with trusting them with the characters I love.

wtf are you talking about? Bucky ran and Tony literally chased after him to kill him. He didn't just want to "beat on Bucky" (and are you seriously trying to say it's better that he just wanted to beat Bucky nearly to death?). He was trying to kill him. They make that as clear as day. Tony's still trying to kill Bucky even after his suit's sustained major damage.

So no, Steve was not a "shit". The shield slam was pretty brutal, but since Tony showed no sign of stopping his murderous rampage, wtf did you want him to do? Words had already failed.

No, it's not the Steve Rogers we love, because the whole point of the ENTIRE MOVIE (hell, the entire Cap trilogy) was that that version of Steve Rogers doesn't exist. He's not and never has been mister nice all-American apple pie guy, he's a flawed person. A person who's consistently shown in all 3 cap movies that he values Bucky more than he values anything else.

My view of the battle was different, because I saw Bucky reaching for Tony's heart with his metal hand. I believe restraint is why Tony ended up on the ground. He could have used his lasers at any time if he was out for a kill. He could have sliced and diced in that confined space. Or what about his rocket launchers? And yes, beating on a supersoldier with an Iron Man suit is horrible. I can't imagine the force of his blows. Tony was guilty of the very sin he'd been advocating against all this time. So stupid and OOC.

And after Tony was down, what was Steve's so righteous pain that he couldn't back off? Oh, you hurt my buddy so I'll almost kill you? That was Steve's excuse for everything. It was so out of character--Steve Rogers Maiming cops! Steve hurting innocent civilians, Steve insisting he could invade any nation he pleased. The movie had Steve's sole motivation for everything as Bucky, yet that isn't a hero of the people. That's basically lawlessness. A personal motivation with no care for true justice.

CA:CW was stupid from end to end. All for pretty battle scenes. That's all the producers wanted and logic had nothing to do with anything. People in fandom secrets love to hate on Tony but I'm sorry, the writers wanted it that way. They wanted people to hate on both sides, so they wrote it fuzzy. They don't ever explain the Accords fully and since they don't explain them, half the people have a hair-trigger hatred of anything infringing their freedoms (like Steve) and the other half assume that 117 countries and the UN want the Avengers to stop unilaterally invading independent nations like a rampaging military force. Which, since the Avengers have no remit otherwise, well, sign the Accords or get a job at the grocery store, Steve.

But I'm done with the franchise either way.

/rant

Dude they make it pretty clear in the movie that Tony's gone into a murderous bloodrage and literally just wants to rip Bucky apart with his bare hands. He's beyond thinking of things like lasers, he's trying to beat him to death. The Winter Soldier killed his parents so he's going to kill Bucky. He's not "holding back". And no, that isn't OOC for Tony at all. Tony's always been an overemotional hothead who makes bad decisions, that's what makes him a great character.

Just like it's not OOC that Steve constantly chooses Bucky over everything else in every movie. He's done that in EVERY Cap movie. That's why he doesn't think he's a hero of the people, and why ultimately IS a hero of the people. Because he's defending Bucky who is a victim of fascism, when Bucky has no power to defend himself. (Note: Bucky represents the audience and the disenfranchised masses of the world, who're being used in the machine of war but can't break free from the shackles of the govt.) And in the process of protecting Bucky he's defending EVERYONE against the dystopian Big Brother state that the UN/Hydra is trying to impose on the world. (And, it's no surprise that this plot is supported by Tony, a wealthy mega-celebrity who'll experience no personal harm from it.)

idk why you think Steve Rogers has ever been pro-cops or pro-govt. The dude is literally written as an anti-fascist socialist. Or where you're getting the "invade any nation he pleased" thing. Are you the anon from the other day who was pissy about the Sokovia Accords?

*claps*

Nothing constructive, I just fucking loved everything you wrote in this thread.

this

you are an excellent example of why bucky stans are the lance stans of the mcu

Excuse you, Bucky stans were here first.

not op, but steve comes off pretty damn fascist himself with the 'the only safe hands are our own' line, tbh.

All of this. I'm so tired of fandom shitting all over Tony. Especially when you know they make all of the excuses for T'Challa wanting to murder Bucky for days.

I missed this thread last night, but just so I'm clear, the decision you're knocking Tony on in this movie was him going for Bucky? Really? Because that ... that wasn't even a decision. That was just a straight up emotional reaction manipulated by the set-up. Of all the things in that movie you can blame him for, finding himself 100% out of the blue standing in the same room as his parents' murderer and abruptly snapping is ... really? You pick that?

Like, no offense, but if I walked into a room and was abruptly forced to watch my parents be murdered, only to turn around and find their murderer standing right beside me, I would 100% try to pound his fucking face in just out of sheer reflex. Regardless of any other circumstances. Like, ten minutes ago I didn't even know they had been murdered, and then I had to watch it, and now you want me to stand next to their killer and be reasonable?

I know it genuinely was not Bucky's fault. He was brainwashed and tortured into it, he had literally no choice. I'm not saying he in any way deserved to be hurt for it, and Steve did need to protect Bucky and keep Tony from straight-up killing him in a blind rage. But of all Tony's actions in the movie, that's the one you genuinely can't blame him for either. There is a time you can expect people to react rationally, and being abruptly catapulted into a 20 year old nightmare and presented with their parents' killer is not it. And, I mean, no offense to Steve, but throwing two years worth of lies in on top of an already fraught moment really did not help.

I'm just saying. Maybe mention some things in advance next time. You know, if you want your buddy not to get killed by the grieving results of his decades long involuntary assassination career. Because, you know, people rather understandably tend not to be too rational when they've just watched their loved ones be brutally murdered.

THIS. ALL OF THIS.

I mean I'm picturing myself. I am the most non-violent wimpy person ever. But if I was suddenly told that my mother didn't die in her sleep she was brutally murdered by a guy out of his mind on drugs and here's the video of it and this is the guy who's clean now so it's ok oh and also people knew and didn't tell me?

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I'd be trying to rip his throat out.

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