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Frostiron. Ugh. idk why I find it so off-putting. I mean, I hate a lot of things about the dynamic, but normally that's not enough to cement something as a notp for me.

Adoribull. Bull is pushy and invasive as hell. Shippers present it like it's so cute and sweet and no.

Oh, I hate Bull/Dorian too, although it's largely because I dislike Bull in general. I haven't ever actually had it happen in any of my playthroughs, so I can't speak for how it's written (same goes with Fenris/Isabela, actually), but I've seen the arguments against it, and I decided pretty early on to actively avoid putting them together in my party. I doubt I'm missing much.

It's much like Fenris/Isabela (which I also dislike) but so much worse. At least Fenris doens't seem super uncomfortable with the conversation, just sort of bored and grouchy like usual. But Dorian is *clearly* bothered by the things Bull is saying to him and also clearly has a lot of hang-ups about his sexuality being out in the open like that in general.

Plus the way Bull talks to the Quizzy in a romance is super ugh and just reinforces my feelings that the guy has no business being in a relationship with anyone. I mean "I know what you neeeed" yeah no you don't dude you've known me for like two weeks and now you're assuming that I'm interested in some sort of kinky shenanigans. No thanks.

I always lamented the fact that Isabela/Merrill wasn't the go-to choice for the "canon" pairing in DA2. The way Isabela speculates about Fenris's time as a slave always creeped me out (from the first act), although I love them both as characters (and romances).

I can't help but feel like Bull and Dorian were sort of ... forced together? Because the writers wanted a canon gay pairing this time but had no other options. I just don't see them as compatible, at all, especially knowing about the sketchy way they get together and talk to each other.

Not to mention the fact that Bull will straight up murder Dorian if he doesn't like the Inquisitor enough (not getting his personal quest = immediate betrayal in Trespasser, if I'm remembering it right). Yeah, great ship, guys!

Merribela would have been a much cuter "canon" pairing. At least there it seems like there's some sort of mutual respect and care. Outside of their relationship dialog I never got the sense that Fenris liked or respected Isabela at all. At best he seems mildly amused by her, sometimes. (I mean, he's more understanding of Anders's flaws and mistakes than he is towards Isabela's, which says a lot since Anders and Fenris can barely handle being civil to each other.)

Yeah Bull turns on you if you pick the dreadnought or if you don't do his mission at all. ia it's a really sweet and loyal relationship they've got. /s But even if Bull doesn't betray you and Dorian, Trespasser still raises all kinds of questions about his loyalties and motivations since we know that the Qunari are getting their information from someone and Bull is literally the most likely person to be doing that job even if you saved the Chargers.

I once read someone's essay on Bull and the results of his loyalty mission, and basically boiled it down to Bull having a deep attachment to the Chargers, so if the Inquisitor sacrifices them, it basically tells Bull that he only belongs to the Qun that was always going to turn on the Inquisitor when it became advantageous, therefore with only the Qun to rely on... Bull betrays the Inquisitor in the end.

If the Inquisitor chooses to go against the Qun, it not only forces Bull out of the Qunari, but also keeps his emotional anchor and the thing that made him indulge in non-Qun habits - his deep attachment to the Chargers, and particularly Krem, whose life he saved. Therefore with his loyalties to the Qun firmly broken, he sticks to what he has found as a replacement, which includes potential romance with either the Inquisitor or Dorian.

Also, he totally lets the Inquisitor know he;s reporting back to the Arishok, but is so dissarming about it that one does not take it seriously - both Inquisitor and player.

I yeah, I know. It's totally in keeping with the results of that mission for him to betray you. (And I was actually really happy when I saw they'd included that in Trespasser, because otherwise him being a Qunari has basically no weight at all.)

He let's the Inquisitor know he's reporting back, but during Trespasser someone is giving the Qunari a lot more relevant info than he claims he's sending. iirc Bull even tells you in Trespasser that the info isn't coming from him if he's loyal, which.... that's still pretty shady?

My problem isn't him betraying Dorian, I think that makes perfect sense. My problem is that Bull is a pushy asshole and imo it makes sense that he's been literally betraying Dorian since the start, long before his loyalty mission or Trespasser, and people holding up their relationship as some pure sweet thing is fucking creepy af imo.

Dorian is really vulnerable to 'nice' people. People like his father, or the Inquisitor, or Bull. And he's the perfect target for a spy like Bull, a lonely isolated Tevinter Altus with connections to the Magisterium and the Inquisition leadership (particularly Cullen). And Bull is great at making friends and influencing people. There's a solid chance he decided to hook up with Dorian specifically because it would be so advantageous to the Qun.

I'm the anon you were talking to before, and yeah, I agree with all of this.

It's perfectly in character for him to do what he does, I'd never dispute that, but, y'know, if your friendship with a completely unrelated person is what makes the difference between whether you murder your boyfriend or not, I'm pretty sure that qualifies as an unhealthy relationship. It's definitely telling that Dorian is apparently entirely helpless in his own relationship, can't do or influence anything about it without a mutual friend there to save it for him, and, yeah. "Yikes" about sums it up.

And to constantly see fans praise it as some super cute & happy relationship is ... strange. But I do tend to disagree with a lot of the more popular fanon characterizations in this fandom; alongside the facts that Vivienne is by far my favourite Inquisition character, and Origins is my least favourite game, I'm pretty much a walking combination of all of this fandom's least popular opinions, so I guess it just is what it is, hahaha.

Frostiron???

This is why I wish people would go back to shipnames that use actual names because I have no idea who that's supposed to be. I'm picturing Tony Stark/Emma Frost but I'm pretty sure that's not what's intended here. :)

I'm pretty sure it's Loki/Tony.

Yeah like the anon said it's Loki/Tony.

ia I prefer the old bob/john format, but it doesn't work for tumblr tags so I've had to adopt to all these awful shipnames.

Doesn't work for tumblr tags? You can use slashes though...? I think? Or is this because it messes up URLs?

The tumblr search engine doesn't acknowledge charaterx/charactery as a single tag and instead you get a whole bunch of things in no way related to your ship. As someone who ships rarepairs that don't have a common nickname it's annoying as heck. Even the worst portmenteau ship name would be better

Yeah what the nonny said. It doesn't work for searches or browsing/posting to the tags.

They work fine if all you care about is organizing stuff on your blog or tagging things for tumblr savior or whatever, but other people can't search and find your posts.

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