[ SECRET POST #4000 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4000 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How is it any worse of a ship than any other Buffy/?? ship?

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but they may mean because he did try to rape her.

However, I think a lot of Joss ships are just as problematic, some for vaguely similar reasons. Joss tropes in general, maybe? His characters tend to have wavering moral standards.

[(Anonymous)]

Buffy and Spike had an entire history of EXTREMELY rough, sex with extremely dubious clear consent. At one point, invisible Buffy gives Spike a blowjob after he tells her to leave without getting permission (he gets into it later but eh). They literally brought a house down having sex. They beat the shit out of each other as foreplay. Also, Spike doesn't have a soul.

I honestly find it amazing that he stopped when he did considering what he was doing was pretty much status quo for their sexcapades.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Yeah, the whole thing was dubious. I'm just saying, the OP might feel that that's what makes it problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

God that's hot stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

what season is This?

[tabaqui]

Season six.

[(Anonymous)]

I shipped Buffy/Spike when I was younger, and I have no problem with people shipping it now, but their relationship in S6 was really fucked up and toxic. It was violent, and there was a lot of anger and even hatred in it on both sides. And for Buffy it was kind of a feedback loop of self-hatred, despair, self-medication, and self-punishment.

And I mean, the show never treated their S6 relationship like it was anything other than extremely messed up. But as a shipper, I loved all their interactions, and didn't want them to end things - even though being with Spike was, in Buffy's own words, "killing her." Plus, Spike did eventually try to rape her, so if you know that's where things end up in S6 but still ship Buffy and pre-soul!Spike, I can see feeling conflicted about that.

Basically, not everyone is wholly comfortable with shipping something toxic, that makes at least one of the characters involved hate themself, and that eventually involves a rape attempt.