[ SECRET POST #4000 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4000 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think he's crazy violent in love with her, he stands close to her in an elevator for five seconds and then goes back to being all about his dead wife. But fandom reads this sudden closeness as a forever love for some wackadoodle reason. Is this because he rescues her from a killer? How is this any different from any other time she's been rescued? I'm not seeing what the shippers are seeing but it's really funny to watch shippers interact with the official Punisher accounts and get shot down every time they ask for Frank/Karen validation lol.

What bothers me is that he was a total ass to her in DD, he literally rams a car into hers and leaves her there bleeding, he lies to her, uses her as bait, he protects her a couple of times but he's such an asshole to her, he just dgaf, and Karen finally figures this out at the end. But somehow the kastle shippers simultaneously yell about how Karen is a feminist paragon, she don't need no man, but also she loves Frank so much in Punisher and has since DD and now they're end game, their love is so pure. lol wut

[(Anonymous)]

Did you seriously miss all the romantic subtext? It's not like Karen and Frank are so in love with each other, but there's something there, and that something has some heavy subtext in The Punisher.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt What romantic subtext? I'm basing my read of their relationship off of his bashing her in DD, so that's not a good relationship to begin with, but he asks her for help in Punisher, gets her involved in his messes, and loyalty is huge for him, as seen by all his other relationships. He kills people to protect a good kid who shared a sandwich with him, and he kills for everybody in his 'family'. It's all he has left in his life, so when I'm looking at Karen and Frank standing close to each other and he gives her the same head bump he gives the rest of his 'family' I'm not reading anything shippy into that, considering how little time they spend together and how Frank isn't thinking of her at the end of the series, he's still all about his wife.

Since Netflix Marvel hasn't validated anything about them being a ship and only seems to support Karen as Frank's 'family', then I'm just taking that at face value. They could always validate it but then I'd be grossed out to think that any woman would put up with how Frank treated Karen in the past and consider them an end game lovey romance now. That's just depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think he's still in love with his wife and sees Karen as family to protect because of her efforts to protect *him* in DD.

And Karen...well, I don't get her character at all and her apparent obsession but also repulsion for violent men that she can chastize for violent tendencies when she is an unrepentant murderer, herself. (There was no reason she had to shoot unarmed Westley when she had his gun in her hand. In fact, *not* killing him would have meant having a wedge to bring down Fisk legally. Also, she's very shady about her past and I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the first "self-defense" act she's indulged in.)

[(Anonymous)]

You're not wrong about Karen. Your reasoning is exactly why she gets a lot of hate in the DD fandom, because she's such a hypocrite. I'm really tired of how the shows seem to let her get away with everything and that's okay, but the dudes have to pay the full price for fucking up even a little.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree with you about DD, but there's no denying the whole Frank/Karen thing is a lot more shippy in The Punisher. I wouldn't be surprised if the series goes that way. I don't agree with it, but I wouldn't be surprised.