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⌈ Secret Post #4007 ⌋

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I really don't understand what issues people have with it, outside of the bigoted stuff.

It's a little too long, and I can see some people saying that it dragged in parts, but I think the same was true of TFA. I just don't fundamentally understand what else people want out of a Star Wars movie.

This. It was possibly a little long, but I didn't mind because I loved it all. Most of the hate I've seen is coming from people who hate the idea of Kylo/Rey, which wasn't even in the movie. Too much reading into things and making assumptions and then basing their hate off that.

I hate the idea of Kylo/Rey and I still loved it

possibly in part because I don't think it was nearly as positive about their relationship as the triumphalist shippers made it out to be

Right, I expected way more of that ship but they just had a conversation once or twice and he talked some shit.

Right. And the force bond thing wasn't even romantic. I mean, the few times we've seen that has been between family members: Luke and Vader, Luke and Leia. So there is no reason to think that it means shippy things.

*COUGH* family *COUGH*

Do you subscribe to the Rey Skywalker theory?

Oh, honey.

The film did feel more suggestive of Kylo/Rey to me, and I'm not a shipper either way. Sure, you can say none of it pinged you as romantic, but it was certainly intimate. I don't think you can say they "just had a conversation", that's not an accurate assessment of their dynamic and subplot in the film.

It was definitely intimate but more in an enemy-ship/hate-ship type of way imo, especially by the end of the movie.

it's definitely not a true wuvvy ship, at least at this point, and I don't understand how some shippers apparently got that out of it.

I absolutely agree with you, except in the enemy/hate ship by the end of the movie. After Rey and Kylo fight together, Kylo asks her to join him, she begs him not to go there, and then basically rejects him and just runs off. It didn't feel like there was suddenly added emotional baggage, at least nothing that would've beat out the fact that they just teamed up and destroyed Snoke and the Praetorians (or whatever they've called).

Absolutely not true love, though. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it went that way next film, however. But a bait-and-switch romance would definitely be a nod back to the original trilogy, so anything goes, I guess.

But they are enemies. He recommits to the Dark Side. Him asking her to join him is the mirror of Vader asking Luke to join him and rule the galaxy together. And she rejects him the same way Luke does. They're enemies.

Now, probably he's going to cross over to the light side again in the next film, I don't really know. But the enmity is as much a part of the relationship as whatever intimacy shippers see there.

Re: Unpopular opinions

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Re: Unpopular opinions

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Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) - 2017-12-23 23:10 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, I don't care about the ship either way but aside from working with what was give in the movie it's not exactly brimming with romantic overtures.

Nothing was really outside of the(at the moment) one sided admiration/crush Rose has on Finn.

Poe and Leia's interactions felt pretty sexy to me.

Which is fair enough but I wouldn't consider that deliberate on the writers part.

Enjoy it if you do though.

No, I pretty much attribute it to Oscar Isaac, lol

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nightscale - 2017-12-23 22:22 (UTC) - Expand

Since this movie upped Kylo's bad-guy grade from an F to a C+, maybe a B- if we are adjusting for Alan Rickman's death, I can see Kylo/Hux.

Oh sure I can at least see it more this time, and hell I enjoyed their antagonistic banter for what it was.

What? Alan Rickman?

I guess some people didn't like some of the twists, like Rey's parents and what happened to Snoke. I actually thought both were fantastic because they were unexpected and ultimately more meaningful. That plus Luke not being a wise badass Jedi sage.

But yeah, all Star Wars films are long, none have great writing. I think plot-wise, this one did drag on a few unnecessary bits, and it was a little frustrating watching different plotlines about failure after failure, but hey, that was the theme of the film.

I think compared to TFA, it was more unique, less formulaic, and ultimately progresses things forward better. The only thing I dread for the next film is the elephant in the room - it was supposed to be Leia's film, but with Carrie gone...

Meaningful? HAH.

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

The fact that Kylo let that one moment be what made him SLAUGHTER his classmates, is also another.

The whole casino bit and how Finn was reduced to side kick to a secondary character instead of BEING THE MALE LEAD like he's supposed to be, in one more.

Rey was never gonna be a Skywalker. Sorry 'bout it.

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

I don't think it was unsatisfactory. You might not have liked it, but I thought it was both justified in-story, with the amount of emotional weight that was given to Rey learning to stand on her own. I also found it pretty pretty satisfying and rewarding in its own terms - it's cool that Rey is representing the light side of the force because she is, not because she happens to be a Skywalker. But taste is taste.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

I think "nearly killed his nephew" is overstating it a little. And more to the point, I think this makes a lot of sense for Luke and for Star Wars? It's one of the major themes of the series that everyone is fallible, and it's the point where you think you're not that you're in danger. I dunno. It made sense to me.

The fact that Kylo let that one moment be what made him SLAUGHTER his classmates, is also another.

My sense was that Snoke had already been manipulating him at that point - probably for a long time. I didn't get the sense that one moment made him slaughter his classmates. Rather, it was the final spark that pushed him over the edge. He was already a long way down the path.

The whole casino bit and how Finn was reduced to side kick to a secondary character instead of BEING THE MALE LEAD like he's supposed to be, in one more.

The plotting was a little wonky, but it's the middle movie of a trilogy. This is the kind of thing that happens sometimes in middle movies of trilogies.

Again, I sort of come back to - it certainly had its flaws, but I don't know how much more you could reasonably expect from a Star Wars movie in the middle of a trilogy.

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

Rey Skywalker was never more than trolling the audience with some ambiguous language and wishful thinking. For it to work, would require that Luke and Leia be cruel to abandon her, force-blind to not see the relationship, and cruel again to not acknowledge it. All of which would be extremely out of character.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

Luke lets his emotions get the better of him in every single movie he appears in, usually with disastrous consequences. Luke wanted to kill Vader, kicked Vader's ass, and maimed Vader while Vader was down. It's only by an act of God/The Force/Lawrence Kasdan that Luke had second thoughts about committing patricide.

So yes, for Luke to consider killing a person who, in all probability, was going to kill billions including Han Solo is entirely in-character. For him to refuse to do so is also in-character. For it to blow up in his face is typical Star Wars melodrama.

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