[ SECRET POST #4007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4007 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Pokémon USUM]


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[Moby]


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[Brooklyn 99, Gina Linetti]


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[Guardians of the Galaxy franchise]


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[Illusion of Gaia]


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[Stranger Things]













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Comments

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kind of surprised how polarizing it seems to be. It got decent reviews (a few reasonable critiques among the praises) but it seems people either love it, or they are butthurt as fuck about it.

I think the movie did a lot of things really well, though was a bit too long and some parts could have been condensed or written a little bit better (the Rose/Finn stuff comes to mind). But the really controversial bit was how they portrayed Luke Skywalker. I didn't quite buy the portrayal either, to be honest, but his plot was one of the more intriguing parts of the movie so oh well.

I think a lot of the haters online ARE bigots and are quite open about it. "SJWs ruined Star Wars!" and random bitching about there being too many women and non-white characters. But I can also see how the writing wasn't necessarily extraordinary and if you didn't like how the plot progressed, you definitely would not be a fan of the film.

But the new Star Wars is not "under-performing".

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't understand what issues people have with it, outside of the bigoted stuff.

It's a little too long, and I can see some people saying that it dragged in parts, but I think the same was true of TFA. I just don't fundamentally understand what else people want out of a Star Wars movie.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[philstar22]

This. It was possibly a little long, but I didn't mind because I loved it all. Most of the hate I've seen is coming from people who hate the idea of Kylo/Rey, which wasn't even in the movie. Too much reading into things and making assumptions and then basing their hate off that.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I hate the idea of Kylo/Rey and I still loved it

possibly in part because I don't think it was nearly as positive about their relationship as the triumphalist shippers made it out to be

Re: Unpopular opinions

[morieris]

Right, I expected way more of that ship but they just had a conversation once or twice and he talked some shit.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[philstar22]

Right. And the force bond thing wasn't even romantic. I mean, the few times we've seen that has been between family members: Luke and Vader, Luke and Leia. So there is no reason to think that it means shippy things.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

The film did feel more suggestive of Kylo/Rey to me, and I'm not a shipper either way. Sure, you can say none of it pinged you as romantic, but it was certainly intimate. I don't think you can say they "just had a conversation", that's not an accurate assessment of their dynamic and subplot in the film.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[nightscale]

Yeah, I don't care about the ship either way but aside from working with what was give in the movie it's not exactly brimming with romantic overtures.

Nothing was really outside of the(at the moment) one sided admiration/crush Rose has on Finn.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I guess some people didn't like some of the twists, like Rey's parents and what happened to Snoke. I actually thought both were fantastic because they were unexpected and ultimately more meaningful. That plus Luke not being a wise badass Jedi sage.

But yeah, all Star Wars films are long, none have great writing. I think plot-wise, this one did drag on a few unnecessary bits, and it was a little frustrating watching different plotlines about failure after failure, but hey, that was the theme of the film.

I think compared to TFA, it was more unique, less formulaic, and ultimately progresses things forward better. The only thing I dread for the next film is the elephant in the room - it was supposed to be Leia's film, but with Carrie gone...

Re: Unpopular opinions

[otakugal15]

Meaningful? HAH.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[otakugal15]

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

The fact that Kylo let that one moment be what made him SLAUGHTER his classmates, is also another.

The whole casino bit and how Finn was reduced to side kick to a secondary character instead of BEING THE MALE LEAD like he's supposed to be, in one more.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Rey was never gonna be a Skywalker. Sorry 'bout it.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

I don't think it was unsatisfactory. You might not have liked it, but I thought it was both justified in-story, with the amount of emotional weight that was given to Rey learning to stand on her own. I also found it pretty pretty satisfying and rewarding in its own terms - it's cool that Rey is representing the light side of the force because she is, not because she happens to be a Skywalker. But taste is taste.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

I think "nearly killed his nephew" is overstating it a little. And more to the point, I think this makes a lot of sense for Luke and for Star Wars? It's one of the major themes of the series that everyone is fallible, and it's the point where you think you're not that you're in danger. I dunno. It made sense to me.

The fact that Kylo let that one moment be what made him SLAUGHTER his classmates, is also another.

My sense was that Snoke had already been manipulating him at that point - probably for a long time. I didn't get the sense that one moment made him slaughter his classmates. Rather, it was the final spark that pushed him over the edge. He was already a long way down the path.

The whole casino bit and how Finn was reduced to side kick to a secondary character instead of BEING THE MALE LEAD like he's supposed to be, in one more.

The plotting was a little wonky, but it's the middle movie of a trilogy. This is the kind of thing that happens sometimes in middle movies of trilogies.

Again, I sort of come back to - it certainly had its flaws, but I don't know how much more you could reasonably expect from a Star Wars movie in the middle of a trilogy.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Every single bit of setup in TFA about Rey got swept under the rug in a very very unsatisfactory way. That's one issue.

Rey Skywalker was never more than trolling the audience with some ambiguous language and wishful thinking. For it to work, would require that Luke and Leia be cruel to abandon her, force-blind to not see the relationship, and cruel again to not acknowledge it. All of which would be extremely out of character.

Luke Skywalker, Mr. "I won't kill my father" just up and letting fear consume him to the point that he nearly killed his nephew, is another.

Luke lets his emotions get the better of him in every single movie he appears in, usually with disastrous consequences. Luke wanted to kill Vader, kicked Vader's ass, and maimed Vader while Vader was down. It's only by an act of God/The Force/Lawrence Kasdan that Luke had second thoughts about committing patricide.

So yes, for Luke to consider killing a person who, in all probability, was going to kill billions including Han Solo is entirely in-character. For him to refuse to do so is also in-character. For it to blow up in his face is typical Star Wars melodrama.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[morieris]

I didn't mind Luke, but I also don't have forty years of idealized canon in my head.

& Reddit has, unsurprisingly, been pretty bad about it. I truly had someone tell me "I don't care if they're black white indian or whatever but it was FORCED DIVERSITY!!!."

and yet no one can tell me how it's """"forced""", oddly enough.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Like, is there any form of diversity that people wouldn't call forced? It's a criticism that's equally applicable to any diversity whatsoever. So the complaint really reduces down to just being opposed to diversity as such.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[morieris]

Yep. Laser swords and space travel and fights are real, but having more than one person of color and, god forbid, one of them be a woman of color, well, that's just unbelievable.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen the movie, but there's definitely instances in major movies where tokenism is an issue. Additionally, Disney's handling of Beauty and the Beast's gay character (gay if you look for it and to get cookies, but not enough to offend the masses) makes skeptical of the why. To be fair, I don't hold Disney in high regard and assume most of their choices are profit oriented.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's a constant theme whenever you have majority female or non-white leads. It's "forced, in your face, SJW-points diversity".

But when it's all white dudes, it's just natural.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I hope everyone else there was at least able to milk some "May the Force(d Diversity) be with you" jokes out of that.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[morieris]

I'm gonna used that next time.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't *like* where they went with Luke's character, but I didn't find it particularly OOC, either. He was always a bit of a smartass, and no one does jaded better than a disappointed idealist.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[rosehiptea]

That's pretty much my opinion about Luke in this movie.

Overall I really liked the movie, but I can see reasons besides bigoted ones that people might not like it. That said, it sucks that bigots are complaining about diversity like it somehow made the movie bad.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[fishnchips]

I think it would have been alright if it had been better written. The way it was, it just seemed like it was done for shock value instead of actual character development.

Re: Unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I didn’t hate it, but there’s lots of stuff that bugged me about it. But there’s stuff that bugs me about pretty much all the SW movies, so oh well.