[ SECRET POST #4014 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4014 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Shape Of Water]


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03.
[Nick Rhodes of Duran Duran]


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04.
[Great British Bake Off]


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05.
[Marvel's Runaways]


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06.
[Ursula, The Little Mermaid]


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07.
[Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 2]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 42 secrets from Secret Submission Post #575.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Media things that still make you angry

[ketita]

I actually kind of disagree. Yes, she had some elements of that, but she ended up completely sidelined and turned into a damsel-in-distress, and hardly contributed to the story at all. I don't think Mary Sue fits that.

Re: Media things that still make you angry

[(Anonymous)]

For me, she is the definition of a Mary Sue because her presence completely derails the characters around her. Thranduil particularly is completely messed up to prop her up.

Re: Media things that still make you angry

[ketita]

Yes, but characters can derail the plot without necessarily being a Mary Sue. If the other characteristics don't hold up, then it just becomes "bad writing" rather than "Sue writing". And considering that there were a whole bunch of questionable writing decisions in these movies, I'd chalk it up to bad storytelling overall.

Re: Media things that still make you angry

[(Anonymous)]

She's not derailing the plot. She's derailing the characters. And, the bad writing is the Mary Sue trope. To me, she is text-book Mary Sue. Everything about her was at the expense of the plot, characters, worldbuilding, everything.

Re: Media things that still make you angry

[fishnchips]

My reasoning for that is:
-she is an original female character shoehorned into a pre-existing canon
-acts as a love interest for not one but two existing male characters, one of which is an established and massively popular character
-looks special compared to the rest of the wood elves (this is more meta though)
-the damsel in distress part is a plot device for the romance part which is a common trope in Sue-fic, the Sue tends to lose her power temporarily when it means she can be saved by her one true love
-has a lot of screentime and derails a lot of scenes for an otherwise unimportant character
-Has a tendency to be wiser/better than other characters around her even though she shouldn't be. The way she was basically schooling Thranduil was a prime example for that

So this, to me, fits the Mary-Sue tropes quite well.