[ SECRET POST #4016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4016 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Intelligence, The Romeo Section]


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[American Vandal, Sara Pearson/Mr. Kraz]


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[Winona Ryder]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Bring It On]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I admit that sometimes find her a bit annoying, but it's completely absurd to blame "people like her" for female gamers/nerds not being taken seriously. Female gamers are treated like shit because male gamers are sexist assholes, not because some individual female gamers are too twee or whatever.

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely agree. It's a garbage opinion, it's ludicrous, it's unbelievable.

[(Anonymous)]

But don't you know, ~fake gamer girls~ are a threat to gaming culture. How dare you be pretty and bubbly and also enjoy video games!! You have to be JUST LIKE THE GUYS, all crass and angry and hardcore.

*gag*

[(Anonymous)]

This, a thousand times.

Also I can't stand the phrase "real gamer." Like, what the fuck does that even mean? I usually hear it from people who fail to realize that games are both incredibly diverse in gameplay and genre and, thanks to that diversity, appealing to a wide variety of people and personalities regardless of gender. Most of which "real gamers" tend to dismiss. But that's a WHOLE OTHER can of gamer-wank worms. (That was a horrid mental image, I'm sorry.)

[thewakokid]

I know you meant to throw the word "Some" in there.

[thewakokid]

Also, Given the OP you are responding to, I think I would also like to take issue at the implication that this is coming from male's as well.

Let's change "Female gamers are treated like shit because male gamers are sexist assholes" to "Female gamers are treated like shit because some male gamers are sexist assholes"

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, no need to go all #notallgamers. If you don't do that, then AYRT wasn't talking about you. Getting all defensive about it smacks of protesting too much.

[thewakokid]

You think I could get away with making a statement about how "Feminists be like..." without qualifying it with "Some"?

You think feminist who don't be like would be fine with that? Think they might be a tad offended that their group is being unfairly maligned? Think they might have a point?

Think that logic translates to my group?

[(Anonymous)]

well, my reaction would depend on what you were actually saying about feminists, and whether I thought it was justifiable as a generalization.

(and being justifiable as a generalization doesn't mean that something is true in all cases. for instance, I could say that Americans like beer more than British people do. and that's true as a generalization - the United States drinks more beer per capita than the UK does. but that doesn't necessarily mean that every individual American likes beer more than every individual Brit.)

and it would also depend on the context of the conversation, and the point that you were driving towards, and whether i thought you were making a blanket personal criticism of feminists as people, or making some kind of point about ideology, or what have you. so it comes down to cases.

[thewakokid]

Well, ok. let me put it this way:

"Female gamers are treated like shit because male gamers are sexist assholes"

"Men are right to dislike feminism because feminists post shit like #KillAllMen"

Now you telling me both of those statements are not unfair generalisations that would be vastly improved, and possibly made factual by the inclusions of some qualifiers?

"Female gamers are treated like shit because SOME gamers are sexist assholes"

"Men MIGHT HAVE A REASON to dislike feminism because SOME feminists post shit like #KillAllMen"

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference is that these statements are superficially similar but have a different meaning.

The first one is a simple assertion claiming that female gamers are treated poorly because of sexism. The second statement has an element of justification, claiming that men are correct and justified in disliking feminism because of a hashtag. I think the sentences would only be really comparable if your example sentence began with "Men dislike feminism because..." rather than "Men are right to dislike feminism because..."

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Should have mentioned I'm NAYRT.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're still ignoring the context of those statements. The first one is being made in the context of explaining why women aren't taken seriously in gaming. And I think that the context of what conversation is going on has to impact how you understand the statement - in this instance, it's not a baldfaced declarative statement, it's a statement about sexism, advancing the idea that sexism, rather than Felicia Day, is the reason that female gamers don't get taken seriously. But what you did is pull it out of that context to make an unrelated point.

And I think the same would be true, mutatis mutandis, of the statement about feminism - there are contexts (and phrasings) where that sentiment could make sense and be a reasonable point, and contexts where the sentiment would be a personal attack.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you have your priorities.

[thewakokid]

Well, yeah, I kinda do want people to stop shitting on all male gamers. At least the innocent ones.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's the most important thing in the entire affair to you.

[thewakokid]

Maybe not the most important - Yeah maybe the most important on a subjective personal level since it's the only thing that affects me directly - but it's certainly the most important thing I have any sort of scope to correct right here in relation to this comment. The only thing I have any need to correct in AIRT's comment in fact.

Like... If someone was being a shit to women in games here, I'd be doing both correcting them, and correcting the people who are maligning male gamers.

Actually... People are being shitty to a particular woman in games in this thread. And I've been countering that as well, so... Fuck you, I guess? Since I am backing myself by correcting people who make sweeping statements about my group, AND backing a woman who is being called a fake geek by pointing out that she is no less geeky than I am.

[(Anonymous)]

Been a female gamer, never once run into this supposed attitude that fauxmanists claim exists everywhere.

Fake geek girls aren't taken seriously because fake geeks aren't taken seriously, nor should they be. Actual geek girls are seen as perfectly normal by geek guys.

[(Anonymous)]

What is an actual geek? What do you think distinguishes an actual geek from a fake geek in general? What criteria and signs serve to differentiate them, and who is qualified to make the judgment? And how confident are you that people are making that judgment consistently across all cases, and not being influenced by social characteristics like race and gender?

fauxmanists

lmaooooo

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, sure.

I'm an actual female gamer, have been all my life. Been on the receiving end of all sorts of vile sexual harassment and shitty dismissive behavior. No, don't get your panties in a twist, not every male gamer is like that. But if you are *actually* a female gamer who has been active in the community - cons, message boards, online games, etc. - and if you've never once encountered something gross directed at you on account of your gender, good for you. Not all of us are so lucky.

Then again, the fact that you said "Actual geek girls are seen as perfectly normal by geek guys" like some definitive statement makes me pretty sure you're either a troll or not actually a girl.

[(Anonymous)]

it's nice that you've never been targeted by the shittier aspects of the community, really i'm not being sarcastic here.

but because it's never happened to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, or at least only happens to those who are 'deserving' of it, however you determine that someone deserves fucking harassment for liking a thing 'wrong' but that's whatever.