[ SECRET POST #4039 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4039 ⌋

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Comments

[thewakokid]

Not arguing with the deletion, but could I get some guidance one which rule the boob job thread broke? Thought it was pretty safe and clear is was a joke.

[case]

A joke can still cross lines and make people very uncomfortable. I'd say joking about forcefully body modding a real and presumably unwilling person counts.

I got it's a joke, if your girlfriend knows it's a joke and thinks its funny then that's great for you two, but in-jokes are in-jokes for a reason. If you and an MMO buddy like to raise your hands and say "Hail" (/h) to each other in the hallway, sure you get it's a joke and they get it's a joke, but random strangers are going to be alarmed because of what that sounds like (and just to add here, they should know what that sounds like! I wouldn't blame the others for being angry at that).

"What would you do if you suddenly woke up with size-H boobs?" would be a okay question.

Yours was more like, "what do you think of my plans to cut up my girlfriend in her sleep and body mod her, and what would you do if it were you? It's a joke (supposedly) but I'm going to act totally serious about theoretically harming a real person"

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I'll suggest that trolling with an old and bad joke that sounds like a Cronenberg rip-off really needs to be put under a cut.

[thewakokid]

I dunno, sounds kinda arbitrary. Like, yes, jokes can make people very uncomfortable, but that literally goes for all jokes. I don't see why a joke centred around one form of violence is any worse than any other joke centred around violence. If I were as much of a dick as people think I am, I could very easily go through every thread about humour and bitch about how X joke makes me offended. It would be the opposite of fun tho. If it's just "Well that's just where I draw the line" that's fair enough, but I'd disagree with where you choose to draw that line.

I also don't think it counts as an in-joke. Like, the absurdity of if should make it clearly not a serious proposition. What if I made a thread about selling humanity out to the alien overloads and how I'm compyling a list of people to go into the work camps when the finally arrive. Is that also too far to be considered a valid comment, because I might be serious about it? Random strangers might also be alarmed by that, but it would be ridiculous for them to be given any credit.

Also: It's a joke (supposedly)

(supposedly)

I mean... There's no "(supposedly)" about it. Like... I can't tell if this means you think really really badly of me, or if you live in a horrifying world where that seems like it could ever be anything other than a joke.

Anyway, point is, seems my thing crossed an arbitrary, which, yeah fair enough, you're the arbiter here just know that given that's the case I can't guarantee that I won't cross that line again.

[case]

"what do you think of my plans to cut up my girlfriend in her sleep and body mod her, and what would you do if it were you? It's a joke (supposedly) but I'm going to act totally serious about theoretically harming a real person"

The supposedly there was me speaking in the voice of the people who found it distasteful and offensive and/or didn't get it was a joke. I was trying to tell you what it sounded like.

And no, it wasn't really arbitrary at least for me - the key factor there was at the end. In (joking) theory, planning to harm a real, specific, existing person and someone that you do have physical access to (planning to amateur-implant boobs on Boris Johnson wouldn't be quite the same since you couldn't actually do it). For example, someone being like "I need plans to kill my boyfriend, any hilarious ideas" then treating it super seriously (as a joke) would get the same reaction.

[thewakokid]

Re: Supposedly. Ah, ok. That makes more sense. Fair enough.

"since you couldn't actually do it"

That's the thing right there: I couldn't do either of them. Does anyone live in a world where it is rational to believe someone could find a surgeon, collect the resources and actually arrange to have surgery performed on an person without discussion and written consent?

See that's why I think it's arbitrary. You have taken something that cannot ever be a seriously feasible thing (Surgery on an unaware and unconsenting adult person) and compared it to something that does happen quite regularly: Murdering your GF/BF (Which, btw, Depending on the presentation could still be considered a funny joke as long as the setup is so far beyond the realms of possibility. For example:

"I'm going to stone my boyfriend to death:



This might take a while.")

I'm sorry, it seems arbitrary to me. Of course it won't to you, since you're the one who made the decision, you based it on somthing, there is some line here, but I'm not seeing it. but there is no difference to me between a joke about one set of horrific scenarios that will never happen, or another. "I'm gonna graft tits on Boris Johnson" vs "I got my girlfriend a surprise cosmetic surgery won't she be surprised when she wakes up!" are both equally absurd.

[case]

Sure, serial killers and things like that who have done those things in real life exist. This isn't to say that you are one, but that you can sound like one, and that "there's no realistic basis for being alarmed that a random person is joking about this" is untrue.

"I'm gonna launch my GF into the sun with a giant slingshot / stone her to death with tiny pebbles" is physically impossible at every step.

"I'm gonna take a knife to my sleeping GF's chest, how would you feel if this happened to you?" is much more possible in the realm of reality. That's why it's distasteful to people - not because of the breast implants, but because the physical harm there is much more doable. Rationality doesn't have much to do with it - you're right that no rational person would do this! But irrational people exist and are everywhere and you end up sounding like one - even if you're not. I'm sure you also don't think everyone on the internet is a perfectly rational person!

I don't think it's particularly difficult to just avoid joking about harming other people (that you realistically have access to and could harm in those ways).

[thewakokid]

"I'm gonna stone her to death with tiny pebbles" is physically impossible at every step.

Challenge fucking accepted!

I suppose I see where you're coming from, but I still think that's a really un-nuanced line to draw. "If your joke was for real and would harm someone you know in real life if you tried it no matter how absurd the attempt would be, then you can't joke about it in case someone thinks you're serious" is, imo, not a good line to draw and gets rid of a lot of potentially fun shit, but if that's the line you want to make a rule of it is at least a solid line and, hell, it's your gig.

[case]

I didn't want to make a line and would've handled it on a case-by-case basis, excuse the pun - but you asked for one.

There is a realistic clause in there for a reason, anyway. No one, rational or irrational, is going to be able to stone someone to death with one tiny pebble at a time, or launch them successfully into the sun. Chloroform and perform surgery on... yeah, that's been done.