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Obviously it's a tragic situation for them all the way around.

Personally I would be more upset by a son's death than his actions, no matter how "monstrous" those actions. I wouldn't rank them as equally tragic. Death is final.

See to me, if I had a son who turned out to be a pedophile, I've already lost them, death or not. This isn't any old crime, he was involved in the exploitation of thousands of children. As young as three. How many of the children in those pictures died? How many will kill themselves one day? And my loved one was part of that?

There is no way I could see that that wasn't that the person I loved must have died a long time ago. The literal death would just be icing on the cake.

+1. This actually happened in our family--not my son, but a relative. He'll never get out of jail, and I really don't give a fuck. He might as well be dead.

lol, how noble of you.

Different anon—my mom’s dad raped his wife and all three of his kids and spent his 70th birthday in jail for trying to kidnap and rape a paperboy, who the fuck knows how much other horrific shit he got up to that no-one ever found out about. My mom spent her whole life fucked up because her dad was a monster—her mom drank herself to death at 53, my mom at 66, and her oldest brother at 47. I only found out how awful he was after he died. I was, idk, eight? And so I ended up mourning who I thought he’d been, not who he was, and hoping there was a hell so he could roast in it. It’s not fucking noble to realize you sat down to family dinners and hugged a person who tortured children and feel sickened by it.

For the record, I'm not making fun of the revulsion and disgust you feel when you realize that someone you knew all your life isn't the person you knew. Those are valid feelings.

I'm just amazed at how quick to disown offspring some people are when they find out their kid (whatever the age) did something awful. You know, instead of contemplating the possibility that, at some point, they might have failed him in his childhood. Instead of wondering how they missed the signs over 18 years of his upbringing, and what they can do to avoid a similar situation in the future. This kind of shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, and there is no kiddy diddler gene that lies dormant in a person for years to suddenly awaken one day. Fortunately, anon I originally replied to has only presented a hypothetical situation and hasn't actually bred any child molesters to my knowledge.

my brother and I were decently close as kids. super normal upbringing. he got bullied but he had tons of support at home.

he raped a seven year old at a summer camp. i'd kill him myself if i wouldn't be jailed for life for it. he's not my family anymore. there was absolutely a kiddy diddler that just awoke in him one day. he even said "he just wondered what it was like." no remorse. nothing. he's trash and i hate him.

Yes, those are valid feelings, and there is no excuse for what he did.

But I highly doubt your brother just decided one day he wanted to rape kids. Saying he wondered what it was like implies he'd been contemplating it for a while. And while you found your upbringing to be super normal, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess it was a little different for your brother.

please stop defending child rapists. please. i'm not trolling or exaggerating in any way: you are defending child rapists and people who consume child pornography, which directly benefits and emboldens child rapists. please stop. i'm begging you.

I am not defending them. I literally said there is no excuse for what the child rapist did. If you want to ignore that fact, that's on you.

I can understand how wanting to get to the truth of the matter might be seen as defending a child rapist, but it isn't. The truth isn't always pleasant, but just because it isn't pleasant doesn't mean it isn't worth knowing. It's so easy to separate people into humans and monsters, but the problem with "he was a monster, end of story" is that it ignores the fact that children are not born monsters. If you're not interested in the reason why someone is a monster, then certainly, that's your right. But I'm more interested in the story because I want to know if there's anything to look out for next time. What I'm not interested in is simply being content with the fact that a child porn viewer killed himself, because that's not going to stop the next guy from hurting someone else.

Um... not all abusers were abused themselves. That is a myth. Some people, as scary as it is, just end up being evil. Some people are sociopaths or pedophiles, and were never abused. Its not comforting, but its true.

Regardless, while other's safety should always be the top priority, reducing terrible events to they're just sociopaths/pedos so they're irredeemable isn't looking for long term solution for these issues and ignores that people under the right circumstances are capable of despicable actions.

Yeah but saying that all child rapists can and should be redeemed isn't the right answer either. Really, even by your standards, we should be focusing on child victims, giving them resources, attention, and sympathy. Fostering a culture that protects children. I do believe there is a point where people cross a line into irredeemable. Even if Mark Salling was abused, he crossed it. We should focus on helping child victims, not their abusers.

Why not both? It shouldn't be an either or thing. Yeah, getting abusers away from situations where they will abuse even by force is vital, but I don't think straight punishment is the answer either.

You don’t think the sexual abuse of children is something that should be punished.

That’s all you really had to say. Now we know that you are also a monster and that the world would be a better place if you weren’t in it.

What the fuck man? That's a pretty serious accusation. I have no issue stuff like sexual offender lists, house arrest, or jail if it's the best option under those circumstances. What I do have issue with is this whole eye for an eye shit. Prevention of harm and rehablitation if possible (which it isn't always) should always the focus when a crime is committed, not punishment.

To quote what you actually said, "Yeah, getting abusers away from situations where they will abuse even by force is vital, but I don't think straight punishment is the answer either."

You can fuck right off with your child rapist apologia because yes, you should absolutely punish child rapists and anyone who sexually exploits children you sick fuck. The fact that you think the justice system should focus on "rehabilitating" monsters who rape children instead of punishing them in such a way that makes it impossible for them to rape children again makes you a terrible person and, I reiterate, the world would be significantly improved by your absence.

Um... not all abusers were abused themselves. That is a myth. Some people, as scary as it is, just end up being evil.

This is the myth.

I'm going to guess you're referring to physical and overt sexual abuse, but these are not the only types of abuse.

If someone who has never experienced any kind of neglect, extreme humiliation, deprivation, or cruel treatment in the developmental stages of life suddenly becomes an abuser for no absolutely reason, then that sounds like a medical issue.

Anon with the rapist grandpa, but thank fuck not the rapist brother, here... it doesn’t fucking matter if child rapists were raped. Hell, my mom’s one surviving brother is pretty sure the reason his dad turned out a rapist was because his scout leader raped him when he was 12. But none of my grandfather’s children became rapists. My mom wasn’t perfect by a long shot and neither were her brothers, but I’ll save my empathy for people like them; victims who were abused by a monster, but refused to become monsters in turn. Rape victims lose my sympathy if they become rapists. Sorry that upsets you.

I never said I was upset by a lack of sympathy for a child rapist.

Just want to say I'm so sorry for what your family's been through.

How noble of you to defend the people who hurt literal defenseless children.

And where, exactly, did I do that?

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