[ SECRET POST #4057 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4057 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because there is always that one person who gets "triggered" by the stupidest shit that makes you wonder how they survive in the real world. It's better to cover your ass then deal with a whiny cry-baby because person A held hands with person B made them wet themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

"wonder how they survive in the real world"

often not all that well. there's lots of mental illness and mental disabilities in fandom and it sometimes makes for a terrible combo.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - Might be giving too much benefit of the doubt, but I think the anon you replied to meant people who claim they get "triggered" by slippers because their sister got slippers for Christmas and they didn't, not people with MH issues who have actual triggers.

[(Anonymous)]

How do you differentiate between those people in general? Especially when we're talking about warning for things in advance?

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. This is exactly what I was talking about. People who make up reasons to be triggered for attention or whatever not people who have real mental issues.

[ninety6tears]

If it's supposed to mean "There could be some obscure thing that would trigger someone, you never know," that's fucking up the whole system. It's not "no warnings apply," it's "No ARCHIVE warnings apply." Just as a means of covering ass, I get it though.

[(Anonymous)]

If it's supposed to mean "There could be some obscure thing that would trigger someone, you never know," that's fucking up the whole system.

I'm the OP (well, kind of), and this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. So many people use the "chose not to warn" tag to mean "There could be some obscure thing that would trigger someone, you never know" and that does create a bit of a problem for people like me who would very much like to avoid main character rape/death without having to PM the author of every fourth fic to ask whether they used the "chose not to warn tag" for a reason or not, and wait for their reply before I start reading.

[(Anonymous)]

No. You're confusing two different things. There is an option for 'no archive warning apply' but this secret maker is talking about 'choose not to warn' which is an entirely different thing.

[(Anonymous)]

If I could summarize what I understand OP's argument to be, it would be that people should only use "Choose Not To Warn" when there is an archive warning that would otherwise apply, and should use "No Archive Warnings Apply" in all situations in which no archive warnings apply, instead of doing what they do now which is use "Choose Not To Warn" in all situations.

[(Anonymous)]

But people on AO3 warn for literally everything, so choosing "No Archive Warnings Apply" just because none of OP's triggers apply doesn't do much for the poor trypophobic kid who figured they were safe because of the "no warnings apply" tag, but is now freaking out because the author didn't warn for holes.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not an archive warning, though.

I mean, I appreciate your point. I don't think that there's a perfect system.

[ninety6tears]

It's "author chose not to use archive warnings" which falls under the same category. Or are we talking about a freeform tag because that's not explicitly clear in the secret...

[(Anonymous)]

You say that as if these people are idiots who get sensitive over the mildest things, but if you actually knew anything about mental illness, you'd understand that triggers don't have to be, and often aren't, logical. I have severe, crippling ptsd from months of torture and gang rape, and one of the things that triggers me is wearing jewelry. Of course it doesn't affect me in fic, and I'm not bothered when others wear jewelry, but just looking at my old jewelry collection makes my head spin. I don't expect anyone to write trigger warnings for something so obscure, my point is that it's not always something "sensible" to be triggered by like rape or abuse.

I should be irritated by your lack of understanding, but frankly I'm glad you've clearly never dealt with a level of suffering to make you understand what a trigger is.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but I'm guessing by the quotation marks around "triggered", ayrt isn't referring to people like you but to people who insist that other people need to use trigger warnings for all sorts of obscure things that might make them feel uncomfortable, but aren't actually triggering in the sense that you are describing.

[(Anonymous)]

I know these people exist, but I don't think they're nearly as common as people with actual triggers. And in the end, how can you tell them apart? And so long as they aren't being asses about it, should you not just give them the benefit of the doubt? People with real triggers are being disregarded as "special snowflakes", and while some of the blame does fall on oversensitive, ignorant people using a word that doesn't belong to them, part of the blame also goes on people like Anon's attitude towards it. People with mental illness aren't being helped by their constant bitching about whiny sjw who 'can't handle the real world'.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this so hard. I mean, I personally am not even looking for warning tags for more niche things. I'm arguing for a return to the attitude which used to be so prominent, that there are a few things which absolutely should be tagged for all the time, because they're general enough, and distressing to a large enough group of people, that it's just insensitive and inconsiderate not to tag for them.

However, if someone tells me something in one of my fics that I think is really minor is really distressing to them, I'll probably tag it because why not? It isn't hurting me or my fic any, and it's showing kindness and consideration to them.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

However, if someone tells me something in one of my fics that I think is really minor is really distressing to them, I'll probably tag it because why not? It isn't hurting me or my fic any, and it's showing kindness and consideration to them.

Doesn't doing this habitually run the risk of doing to more specific warning tags exactly what the secret is complaining has happened to the CNTW tag?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

No. Warning for things that upset people is not destructive to people's ability to find warnings for things that upset them, and I have no idea why you think it ever could be.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Because you said it was "something really minor" and that made me think of the emetophobia example another anon brought up. If everyone tags every fic where a character briefly gets nauseous (even if their nausea is only mentioned in one line and they never throw up) as emetophobia, then people who actually need to avoid fics with vomiting in them are shit out of luck because the tag has become meaningless and it's a toss up as to whether the alleged emetophobia warning in a fic they're clicking is referencing a throwaway mention of a character feeling nauseous or a graphic Exocist-style scene.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but this concern kind of reminds me of the "slippery slope" argument where like.. if we let gays marry then people will start wanting to marry their horse or whatever. I'm the anon with severe ptsd, and I write fic with some pretty upsetting content. I tag all the major triggers and all the major themes and plot devices, though not to an extent where I'd say it's spoilery. I think my tags are good enough for probably 99% of people reading, and so far have never had an issue. But if someone were to ever come to me wanting me to tag for something, then why not add it? This sort of request is so rare in the fandom spaces that I'm in. And if someone is asking for a tag, then it's probably not something so minor as "character A felt a bit queasy". No one in this thread is suggesting that every fic have hundreds of tags for every conceivable thing that happens. I think people are capable of understanding nuance, when something does or does not call for a tag.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I don't actually think that tbh, I just think it's weird that OP admits to covering their ass that way when it comes tagging while complaining about people who cover their asses with blanket CNTW tags. OP is doing this to be nice and is helping future readers, but people who CNTW "for no good reason" (that OP can discern, anyways) are doing it out of ignorance or laziness and ruining everything for everyone.