[ SECRET POST #4057 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4057 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Because there is always that one person who gets "triggered" by the stupidest shit that makes you wonder how they survive in the real world. It's better to cover your ass then deal with a whiny cry-baby because person A held hands with person B made them wet themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

"wonder how they survive in the real world"

often not all that well. there's lots of mental illness and mental disabilities in fandom and it sometimes makes for a terrible combo.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's mostly used that way by people who are angry at the whole concept of warnings and ideologically disagree with it

so, you're probably not going to get much traction there

[(Anonymous)]

Well, here's the thing. I'm kind of a fandom dinosaur from back in the day when people generally only warned for a handful of stuff - graphic violence/sex, gore, stuff like that. But peoples' expectations have changed and some of them are, IMO, not entirely reasonable. I'm not willing to sit down and think about every little thing that someone might object to and warn for it because I'm sure to miss something and I don't particularly want to get a huffy PM about how I didn't warn people about this one scene where the main character has lunch and it might be triggery for people with eating disorders. If other people want to warn for that, awesome. I don't.

Maybe that falls into your category of Something Upsetting Happens Therein, maybe it doesn't. I just know I prefer to write a story and not deal with all of that, and I don't want people to get upset at what they read so letting them know that I've chosen not to warn seems like a fair heads up. They're free to pass over my story, no hard feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. Choose not to warn means that. I'm choosing not to warn. That could encompass anything, and if there's something that triggers you, then you shouldn't click on any fic with CNTW on it. It's up to the reader, not the author.

[(Anonymous)]

Also one reason people use the "Choose not to post warnings" is that there is NO choose for "Don't need to post a warning". AO3 is like that.

[soldatsasha]

Ehhh, ia it's nice when authors do tag, but it's not necessary imo. 'Choose Not To Warn' is a valid warning in it's own right because it tells people like me to proceed with caution.

The only thing that pisses me off is when authors use the archive warnings incorrectly, like using the Graphic Violence tag but not the Major Character Death tag when a story contains both.

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly thought until just now that you had to use it.

Crap.

OP - kind of

[(Anonymous)]

Just gonna post this here, rather than responding in numerous places with the same comment.

I didn't make this secret, but it is essentially my opinion that someone nabbed from the general comments thread a while back, so I'll respond as though I were the OP.

To clarify, what I'm talking about is fics where there's major character death, or a main character gets raped, and the only warning is the "chose not to warn" tag. In that situation, yes, I acknowledge that the author has covered their ass by using the "chose not to warn" tag. But because 19 out of 20 times I encounter that tag there's basically nothing to warn for, it's impossible to know when that tag is actually being used for good reason. So every so often I end up reading a fic with main character death or main character rape and getting completely blindsided because the author "chose not to warn." Which is why I would love it if, in cases where there is something major to warn for but the author doesn't want to spoil it, they would just add some kind of additional author's note or something that would ping people's radar. Just an additional tag that says "I picked the chose not to warn tag for a reason" or "I don't want to spoil anybody but there's some dark shit in here" or whatever.

I'm not saying I expect people to do this. I'm just wishing they would.

[(Anonymous)]

The choose not to warn tag means exactly that: the writer is choosing not to use any warnings, generally across all their fic. It's not meant to be a barometer of how disturbing the fic content is - it is, in fact, the exact opposite of that.

[(Anonymous)]

I put CNTW on everything I post, from the shortest fluff to long angsty fic. I leave it up to the reader to decide if they want to chance reading any of my stuff or not.

I also don't rate any of my fic. Same idea: if people don't want to read stories that aren't rated, that's cool. I don't care about ratings myself and have no intention of trying to figure out what rating anything of mine might be.

[nightscale]

If I see a 'Choose not to warn' tag then I basically take that as a sign to proceed with caution because there might be something I don't like in the fic, and if there is then I just click away and be done with it.

For the most part though I've not had too much of an issue with it.

[(Anonymous)]

If one of the preset warnings (ie: Underage, Charater Death, etc) applies to a story, I'll tag it. If I'm writing total fluff, I'll mark No Archive Warnings Apply. Otherwise, I use Chose Not to Warn to head off hysterical complaints about how one scene in a 100K story wasn't all sunshine and rainbows and how dare I write such a thing.

If you don't like the Chose Not to Warn tag, don't read stories that are marked with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you, OP, this is a problem I've had too. If too many people us the 'chooses not to warn' tag for no reason, it becomes meaningless. I always read all the tags, because I'm a big fan of tags, but its to the point where the 'chooses not to warn' tag barely registers with me. Since there's nothing I can learn from it anyway.

Honestly I think this comm is just really negative about tags. Whenever the topic of tags comes up there's always way more people here that think they're annoying and say they barely tag for anything. I do think some people take their tagging expectations too far. But what you're talking about isn't tagging a lot, it's giving the reader a tiny bit of actual info to go off of, which I agree would be nice.

[(Anonymous)]

I use it when there's some major plot point that's covered by the usual warnings, but that I don't want spoiled before reading. I know that people use it for a lot more reasons though, like not getting the warning system or wanting to be on the safe side.

[(Anonymous)]

I stumbled upon a discussion about this recently, and apparently a fair few people mix up 'choose not to warn' and 'no warnings apply', so that might account for some of the needless cases you come across?

[(Anonymous)]

So the issue with tags is that is you warn for something that other people may search for (because it's a kink) then you run a double risk.

Take the example of a fic that has one character briefly sick to their stomach. It's not detailed, it's brief.

If you tag for vomiting, people who avoid vomit!fic will stay away, and emetophiliacs will be disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

It the "my fandoms are special" anon is a troll, I must say I'm impressed. *offers popcorn*

[tabaqui]

I just use the 'no archive warnings apply' thing. Why don't people use that? So much more on point.

[(Anonymous)]

I have honestly never paid attention to any fic has this or not. I can't believe it's getting all this wank.

[(Anonymous)]

"Choose Not to Warn" IS a warning. It means that the author is not posting warnings. It does not specify what kind of material is included in the story.

As to whether or not it is "really needed" for the fic, that is often up to an individual reader's perception, and it will vary by reader. Some things that really bother one reader to the point of wanting warnings will not faze another reader at all.

But the writer has already told you they're not going to post warnings. It means "read at your own risk."

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, all this wank over tags is amazing.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, you are seriously misunderstanding "Choose Not to Warn." CNTW means that the author chooses not to warn. They don't have to have a reason for it. They're not doing it wrong, because it accurately conveys that they are choosing not to warn. There could be fluffy bunnies or underage noncon (or both). They're both equally valid uses of the tag. Wanting authors to add a warning tag to a CNTW fic is nonsensical, because the author has chosen not to warn, and demanding that they warn anyway sounds really entitled. You have no right to expect that authors will use CNTW purely for your convenience, to mean "stuff OP doesn't want to read."

I'm sympathetic to people who can't read certain content without bad emotional consequences, but it's up to everyone to manage their own reading experience. Continuing to read fic that's tagged CNTW when you know that some content will badly upset you is like Russian roulette, and I don't really understand why you're doing that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I am not doing this. If I already use that tag, you should already know it's a possibility.