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[ SECRET POST #4060 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4060 ⌋

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[Altered Carbon]

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[Celeste]

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[Travelers, Philip and Trevor]

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[Cassandra Clare (formerly Cassie Claire)]

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[French pair skaters Vanessa James and Morgan Ciprés]

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[Final Fantasy X -Will-]

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I agree that it's a gorgeous picture, and I love Yuna. But what about this image makes this "the look that represents the person she finally feels she is"? That part confuses me. Who is the person she feels she is, and why does this image represent that? It's been years since I've played FFX. Like, a lot of years, so it's entirely possible I'm missing something.

It doesn't, that's literally her as a Summoner, a life forced on her because of her magical potential and who her father was, with longer hair. I feel more comfortable considering her songstress attire "who she finally feels she is" as opposed to her Summoner life, which was "literally the life forced on her with no thought to her life and wishes because she would Literally Die but he it's for the sake of everyone else selfishly wishing for a better life and she's just the noble sacrificial lamb they'll remember fondly if distantly."

With all due respect, nonny, you use the word "literally" too much.

Otherwise, good point. Something to think about.

NA

Yep.

Plus "Will" is fucking terrible and nobody should ever listen to it. And the fact that it has Yuna go back to her summoner appearance and praying is one of the major reasons for that.

Praying for Spira's future. Yuna. She fucking killed God.

The whole story of FFX is about how the Yevon church was hypocritical and evil as shit and their god was also evil as shit. Yuna would never return to praying, ever, because the whole religion she was raised in was a huge lie from top to bottom.

And the designs for Will are just lazy, too. Yuna, but with longer hair! Tidus, but wearing Jecht's headband! Pathetic.

SA

Yuna wasn't forced to become a summoner, but she was deceived by the church and the role of a summoner, as defined in Yevon's teachings, was ultimately unnecessary - and if the Yevonites hadn't been so focused on the cycle of sacrifice, they'd have discovered this much earlier. (Jecht couldn't possibly be the only person in the world who had a connection to something that could have been used to distract or pacify their Sin; the process of systematically destroying Yu Yevon's potential hosts could have been done by many parties strong enough to get to Zanarkand and receive the Final Aeon.)

"Summoner Yuna" isn't who Yuna really is, because she explicitly rejects that role at the end of the first game! There's a difference between saying that Yuna freely made the choice to become a summoner and saying that being a summoner is the Most Yuna She Ever Was. Being a summoner isn't just about being willing to sacrifice oneself to try to defeat Sin; the Crusaders and the Al Bhed working on Operation Mi'ihen had that too. Being a summoner is inherently a religious role, and that's the aspect that makes it impossible to say that being a summoner was Yuna at her most self-realised.

DA but she absolutely was forced. Not physically, but it was definitely expected she follow in her father's footsteps. And if you don't think that factored in to her life and "choice" to be a Summoner, then you're incredibly naive.

AYRT

I'm not willing to say "forced" point blank, because I think it gives the wrong impression. She was also surrounded by people close to her who desperately wanted her not to become a summoner and who attempted to convince her not to do it (before accepting her decision and supporting her through it once they realised she wouldn't change her mind). There were expectations that, having become a summoner, she would go on to become High Summoner like her father, but I'm not sure it was expected that she would become a summoner in the first place, because the way Lulu and Wakka talk about it makes it sound like they were blindsided by her decision, which they wouldn't have been if it was something everyone was talking about.

And even if we assume that that was indeed the case, I still think that "factored into her life and decisions" is not the same as "she was unambiguously forced". She was lied to and manipulated, but so was every single other citizen of Spira.

I think describing it as "she was forced" takes away from the reveals during the story. If it was something that she hadn't wholeheartedly wanted to do and believed in, it wouldn't hurt so much that it all turned out to be a lie. If it was only something she was forced or brainwashed into, the strength she showed when she continued on with her mission despite being excommunicated by Yevon stops being a positive aspect of her character and becomes tragic and a sign of manipulation. I think it massively detracts from Yuna's character arc to say that she was just forced to be a summoner.

Yuna wasn't forced into being a Summoner, she chose to become one of her own free will—hell, we know at least Lulu and Wakka opposed to her becoming a Summoner, but in the end they respect what she wanted to do anf supported her. She loves Spira and its people, and that's why she's willing to risk her life to stop Sin. Yeah, she has her father's legacy hovering over her head, but nobody forced her into following in his footstep, she did that all on her own.

You're damned deluded if you think she didn't grow up surrounded by the expectation to follow her father's legacy. It's a big thing they bring up as she travels, that clearly she'll follow her father perfectly because she's his daughter.

...this is not even true lol

Your anger itt is hilarious though, so thanks for the entertainment.

Yeah, I always felt that Songstress Yuna was way closer to the true Yuna than Summoner Yuna because that was what she chose to be once she no longer had the whole threat of Sin hanging above her head. I mean, yeah, technically she chose to become a Summoner of her own free will, but it was entirely because Sin existed in the first place. What would she have done instead in a world without Sin?

DA

Agreed. Even if you don't want to use the word "force", how much free will does one really have living in a world as fatalistic as Spira?

DA

Well, I mean, presumably the same amount of free will as the other humans living in the world who didn't become summoners, so...

+1

This thread is a wild ride lol

AYRT

I would argue that their lots in life sucked as well with Sin around, constantly dying or watching their loved ones die. Isn't that what the game showed us, that the world of Sin and Yevon was extremely crapsack and people led deterministic lives because they were all under this enormous shadow of death and religion? Isn't that why Yuna broke down in Macalania Spring, after entertaining the idea that, "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have to continue with this pilgrimage?" and finally deciding that, "I just can't"?

I don't mean to detract from Yuna's choice and sacrifice, even if I utterly disagree that it was anything as simple as, "LOL she chose it for herself gaiz," as if the world she lived in and her personal background played no major part in it. But the original argument is about whether the Summoner is who Yuna "feels she really is" even in a world without Sin. I just don't see that.

AYRT

But the original argument is about whether the Summoner is who Yuna "feels she really is" even in a world without Sin. I just don't see that.

Oh, I 100% agree with you there. (I'm the anon from over here: https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1762614.html?thread=986674230#cmt986674230)

What I meant was that I think that if someone's going to say that people in Spira in general are dealing with outside circumstances that limit their free will, then it's meaningless to then also argue that Yuna "had no choice" but to become a summoner unless you also think that all the other summoners in the world had being a summoner forced upon them and that Yuna never really had the option of not being a summoner even though Lulu and Wakka say she did (because they tried to get her to take it).

I think it's very important to the story and Yuna's character that she chose to become a summoner and that she continued with that path as long as she believed in it. Her choice was influenced by outside factors, like her religion and her father's success, but nobody's choices are totally independent of the world around them. So long as it was possible for her to choose not to be a summoner - and everything in the game indicates that it was, Wakka and Lulu tried to get her to give up, people thought she would end her pilgrimage if she got married - then the fact that she felt she wanted to stop but couldn't do it is about her and who she thinks she is and wants to be, not about outside pressures. She isn't required to save the world and become the High Summoner, but she still feels she needs to.

Basically, I feel like (until she found out what Yevon and Sin really were) Yuna was never going to be anything but a summoner no matter how many opportunities she was given to be something else, but another person in her exact situation might have chosen not to become a summoner and it wouldn't have been forced upon them.

But it's also important that she first rejects the Yevon church when it abandons her, and later rejects the role of summoner altogether when she finds out the truth of the Final Summoning.

Yuna was a summoner, by choice and with full commitment to Yevon and her own sacrifice. By the end of the game, she isn't that person any more. Bringing her back to being a summoner after that is just as dismissive of her character and motivations as saying she was forced to be one in the beginning.

What game did you and everyone else in this thread play? Yuna wasn't forced to do shit. She wasn't pressured to do anything because of her father either. And that songstress garb was not Yuna, it was Lenne. The most Yuna thing X-2 provided us with was that "I don't like your plan. It sucks." speech and her moving on from the sad ending.

I played the same game as you, I just didn't eat up that Yuna was totes a Summoner because she wanted to be and living with the expectation of following in her father's footsteps.

I'm sorry you thought she was a Pure Sacred Religious Summoner Girl, but she wasn't. Go eat your damned OOC Yuna who goes back to the demure Summoner she was expected to be.

What the fuck is wrong with you lol

You should probably spend time off of TV tropes and Reddit. This isn't some metaphor for the patriarchy taking control of what we think are our desires. Her heart was set on being a summoner and the reason why is NEVER touched up on. Never.

She wasn't forced to become a summoner, she truly wanted to save the world and the people. It's just that when they found out the truth of the final summoning (that you have to sacrifice a guardian to become the final aeon) is where the problem was.

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