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⌈ Secret Post #4064 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But I want whatever she is to be connected to the Skywalkers because the saga films are their stories.

But... that's only true because you decided it is.

I mean, if that's how you feel about it, that's how you feel about it, but that's not, like, a fact. Apart from anything else, just because the new Star Wars movies are, in fact, Star Wars movies.

[(Anonymous)]

It is how I feel about it and it's what I want. It's what I've seen in the previous six movies and now that there are stand-alone movies and announced trilogy movies that are clearly not about the Skyalkers, it's clear the saga movies are now intended to be the Skywalker trilogy (+Rey Random for no good reason).

You can argue that you see things differently but you're not changing my mind on that. The saga films should always be about the Skywalkers and the other characters set up by the OT and PT (by Lucas' original visions). There are going to be other movies to explore other people. Rey Random doesn't fit the narrative. If they'd done anything interesting with the idea, I could go with it. Instead, they keep shoving it at me as so needed and perfect and so much better than being invested in the Skywalkers who started the damn franchise.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying you need to change your mind. I just kind of wish you'd stop talking about these things like they were transcendent moral truths, rather than your personal preference for the films. Like, in and of itself, there isn't any necessary reason why the films have to be about the Skywalkers or fit into the narrative that you would prefer.

Also, to be honest, it seems like a lot of this is you're realllllly salty about the fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously, I'm salty about the fandom. I said as much twice already. The reason I feel this way is because of fandom (and the creators who are also pushing this narrative without doing anything worthwhile in the actual movie to back it up). I'm also perfectly within my rights to not like something and be salty about it.

I also said, "I want the saga movies to be about the Skywalkers and their friends. I hope they retcon it in the next movie." That's not making a transcendent moral truth. You're the one who's reading too much into what I'm saying. People are allowed to dislike your movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I was just surprised by how much saltiness there was. But sure, you're within your rights.

And I was more talking about some of the stuff later in the thread when you started talking about how the saga films are the Skywalker's stories, and things that aren't about the Skywalkers don't fit into the narrative and should be limited to side films, and the Saga films should always be about the Skywalkers. More that stuff rather than anything in the first comment.

[(Anonymous)]

You're reaching way too hard. I haven't said anything about any transcendent moral truths. I think the saga films should be and were about the Skywalkers. Everything I've read from Disney says they think the same. Their new announcements about the RJ trilogy and the GOT producers movies are specifically said to not be the Skywalker Saga. Rey shouldn't be a random. It's not the point of the saga films. You can make that point in a stand alone but I don't think it needs to be made at all. None of the PT Jedi were anything special. No one should get a pat on the back for making her a random.

[(Anonymous)]

But, if Disney agrees with you, why did they make Rey not a Skywalker?

[(Anonymous)]

RJ made her not a Skywalker because the whole movie was about subverting expectations, not about what's best for the franchise or even the sequel trilogy and its characters. And Disney's ultimate end for the trilogy is to kill off the OT characters to make way for their own. They are only making it a Skywalker trilogy because of what came before but they're all too happy to get rid of the old. Doesn't mean it's right. Just that they recognize that's what the trilogy should be about.

Obviously, my opinions, since you seem to have trouble with that.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically, if I understand, Disney simultaneously wants to get rid of the OT Skywalker & Friends Crew, but also know that the Star Wars saga films have to be about the Skywalkers, so they're making a trilogy of films just to get rid of them? And so Rian Johnson made Rey a non-Skywalker just to subvert expectations within TLJ as a film, and Disney went along with it because it allows them to get closer to their goal of replacing Skywalker characters with their own characters?

[(Anonymous)]

I know you're trying to make fun of me but I do think this is basically it. Disney is not being consistent. They did not have a plan for what these films were going to be. They knew to get Star Wars back up and running, they needed to appeal to nostalgia so they had to go back to the Skywalkers and OT but they wanted to get away from that to have complete freedom. They introduce new characters at the same time they kill off the old ones in the hopes people will like the new ones and be okay with future stories not being about the Skywalkers.

But they've been very reactionary. People thought TFA was too like ANH so Disney let RJ shake things up. I don't think Rey was intended to be nobody initially. I could buy they didn't know what to do with her and JJ was just kicking the can but I do think it's solely RJ who made her a nobody since he's the one who keeps going on and on about how revolutionary this is. And I'm sure their next step won't make any more sense than what they've done already.

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't really trying to make fun of you - I tried to keep the language relatively neutral, at least.

But, I mean, yes, I do think it's a pretty convoluted explanation to try to reconcile the fact that Disney made a movie that was about the Skywalkers and also some other people with your belief that the movies should only be about the Skywalkers. And I don't think it has a ton of evidence beyond your personal saltiness. I think a simpler explanation would be that Disney wants to make movies that continue the original trilogy but also doesn't view the saga as being exclusively about the Skywalkers, the way that you do.

[(Anonymous)]

I do absolutely believe that Disney is flying by the seat of their pants. What they want one minute, they decide they don't the next. The films we've gotten and their decision behind the scenes bear that out for me.

Regardless of what Disney thinks, I want the saga trilogy to be about the Skywalkers. Rey Random wouldn't bother me if it wasn't clear that they are getting rid of the Skywalkers and everything OT to make way for her. If she wasn't replacing them, I wouldn't care who she was related to.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... I kind of feel like the main reason they're trying to move on from the OT characters is because the actors who play them are all old and infirm now (to varying degrees). We already lost one of the Big 3.

I don't really think they're doing it so they can clear the stage for Rey.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree. But they could've done it with more class and care instead of just killing them all off and undoing everything they did in the galaxy.

I don't actually hate the new characters. I like Rey. But I want her to be part of the story that's already been told. She has no connection to the OT or PT or anything else. I agree with the anon below. She barely knows the OT people. It's not like Poe, who has come up under Leia's leadership. I am completely comfortable with him stepping up to take over Leia's role because he has spent time knowing her and learning from her. But Poe is a relatively minor character. He's not the one we're following. Rey spent two days with Luke and Han. Even if she spends time with Leia, we're not going to see it on screen. That's not satisfying at all. If Rey were actually related to someone else, she would have an incentive to explore that connection, which would bring back the OT or PT element she's connected to. Right now, the movie says she's looking forward so there's no reason for her to do that.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Um, Ben Solo?

[(Anonymous)]

I answered this in my second response.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

It just seems weird to say it's not a Skywalker movie when about half of the ensemble are Skywalkers.

[(Anonymous)]

But they're all incidental. It's not about Luke or Leia or Han or Lando or Chewie or any OT people so it's definitely not their movie. And I believe that Rey is going to kill Kylo so he gets taken out. That doesn't make it his trilogy either.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Three of the most important characters in the script are not "incidental."

A key character dies in the end, so it's not about them. Unlike, Oedipus, the Gospels, Romeo and Juliet, or Hamlet.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think they're important though. And Luke's death felt really shoehorned in. He didn't feel like a key character. It's clearly about Rey, Finn, and Poe.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Well, no point in debating feeeeeeeels I guess.