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[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

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[Grace and Frankie]

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[Gillian Anderson]

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[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]

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[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]

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[FX's Legion]

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[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]

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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]

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The general public? That's quite a claim. I doubt the average viewer gets into all of this subtext and innuendo, let alone come to some conclusion. I didn't see anything shippy about Kylo Ren and Rey. Kylo is trying to get the power of the Jedi on his side, that's why he's appealing to Rey. I don't see why it has to be any physical or romantic attraction.

Ship whomever you want. Don't get attached to it, because to the Dark Side this path goes.

Rian Johnson - the director and writer of the film - has said that Kylo was not being intentionally manipulative in that scene, and that he chose to kill Snoke for Rey, not to take Snoke's place.

And his reaction to her at the end also has the interpretation that he realizes he screwed up the relationship in a serious way through his own actions. (That does nothing to shoot it down for good, either - in several dynamics like this, including many of the Gothic romance stories Reylo draws from or has been compared to, a relationship failure occurs in the second act, usually due to the male character's selfish behavior, forcing them to reevaluate their priorities and choices.)

I would point out that Gothic romances often don't have happy endings

at all

*shrug* Doesn't mean it's a end all be all ship like everyone is hoping it will be.

I mean, I don't think Kylo was being manipulative. That doesn't make it any better though. Kylo was desperate and thinking Rey is similar to him, probably projecting himself onto her and thinking she'd be okay with sacrificing her friends like he sacrificed his father. But he was wrong. Just like Rey was wrong about him. That's why they go separate ways while being disappointed the other ultimately didn't join their side.

People say Snoke was manipulating Kylo so him being dead would have given Kylo the freedom to go with Rey, but he STILL chose to be the leader of space nazi's over anything Rey had to offer.

The irony of that scene is Kylo telling Rey to let go of the past while being unable to do so himself. He was not okay with killing his father, hence Snoke's spiel about how disappointing Kylo is at the beginning of the movie.

And Rey was blinding herself to who Kylo Ren really is. He is not (just) Ben Solo. He wasn't going to be the last hope hero for the Resistance that she was seeking. But she was so focused on finding the savior (Luke, Ben) that until the end of the movie Rey didn't realize that she could be that hero.

It's going to be interesting to see what their relationship is moving forward.

Rian Johnson is an idiot with zero regard for good writing though -at least in this movie.

The movie is good

Not in any sense of the word and especially not as a sequel to a movie that Johnson either didn't even watch or decided to ignore.

No, the movie is good. And JJ approves of this movie, but yeah, I'm sure you know better than him about HIS movie.

It's not.
And what's he gonna say, especially now that he has to resolve the mess TLJ was? "Movie sucks, Johnson is an idiot"? Not really great publicity.

I agree. If you take the shipper goggles off it's not even officially a romance. I hate Anakin/Padme as a relationship but... despite how creepy Anakin was Padme reciprocated and they were married by the end of the 2nd film. Han/Leia were also official by the 2nd movie with love confession and a kiss.

Rey and Kylo got to understand each other on a deeper level but STILL chose to go their separate ways in the end. It doesn't even feel romantic given how fucked up Kylo is that he probably doesn't have any friends and Rey is the only with similar power and loneliness, so I don't see his interest in her as romantic but more like he's desperate for SOMEONE he feels he can relate to. They both try to get the other to come to their side but they both refuse to change sides and remain firmly where they started off.

I've got nothing against Reylo since I find it infinitely better dynamic than Akakin/Padme... but to say they are a canon romance is just plain false.

That's the problem right there. Shipper's goggles. Whatever Kylo feels about Rey could be a million different things, anything from friendship, to seeing Rey as a light of what he used to be. No doubt the both of them were once Luke's students at his school. So she is his last hope, and he knows this deep inside. It's a Jedi thing. I saw zero romance or physical attraction between the two.

Yeah, Anakin and Amidala was way fucked up, but Han and Leia was awesome. I liked Han/Leia because there wasn't any sappiness or angst about them.

Hang on, why do we think Rey was one of Luke's students at his school? She's a confirmed nobody, and surely Luke would've recognized her if that were the case?

Because ayrt is still clinging to their debunked fan theories.

It sounds more plausible than the delusions of Reylo.

How little you know the Jedi.

Dunno. She seems to know what the books are, the old place. There's some repressed memories going on. Plus Jedi aren't known to show or tell everything or everyone they know. Luke spent an awful lot of time trying to get away from Rey. There's a lot unsaid.

I wouldn't say it's canon, but I also think it's a little willfully ignorant to say there's not a pretty damn good chance they were intentionally written with the suggestion of romance (whether or not it ever comes to conclude itself). I think there's such a thing as anti-shipping goggles, honestly.

If it were intentionally romantic they would have been more blunt. The way it is can be interpreted in so many different ways. People say "everyone including the creators see it" but I've never heard it officially called a romance or love story by anyone with authority.

They never were this subtle about the other Star Wars romances but this one never got on its feet. Maybe it will be a thing in the 3rd movie, but it's definitely not at the moment.

More blunt really is the issue here. This is Star Wars, where the only way they can think of making their villains appear evil is to make a 1:1 copy of a famous/infamous Nazi rally. Points are always driven in with the crudest tool in the box. If people aren't sucking face on screen, the romance doesn't exist, word of God be damned.

Except the romance doesn't exist. No word of god is saying it was romance either. If it was so obvious they wouldn't be dancing around it and describing in vague overarching ways.

Pretty sure Daisy and Adam would have said something about their characters if it they were meant to be playing characters in love. Yet nothing they've said about their roles in the movie implies romance. It's just shipper goggles seeing what they want to see.

The only "word of god" seems to be Mark Hamill saying there is sexual tension... but you could say that about Obi Wan and Anakin or any two characters that are on opposite sides.

Did you mean to reply to me because the tone of your comment makes it seem you disagree but we actually agree here? I mentioned word of God because secret!OP seems to believe word of God somehow acknowledged the romance.

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