[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Grace and Frankie]


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03.
[Gillian Anderson]


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04.
[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]


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05.
[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]


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06.
[FX's Legion]


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07.
[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]











Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[cbrachyrhynchos]

When Rey realized Ben 1) had more daddy issues than she did and 2) defeated Snoke just to replace him. Then she shut the figurative door in his face.

[(Anonymous)]

He literally chose being super evil over her

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Exactly, and she chose to be rebel scum over him. So it's a ship in the "ships passing in the night" sense, then figuring out irreconcilable differences before anything serious happened.

[(Anonymous)]

That is actually a common trope in narratives like this.

1) Male character has attraction to female character, female character is intrigued and initially reciprocates 2) Male character, although he is sincere about wanting a relationship, botches a potential relationship through selfish behavior and being an asshole, damaging the relationship with the female character, who wants nothing to do with him at this point - and for good reason, 3) Male character is forced to reevaluate his actions and choices, makes sincere amends and usually after being punished narratively for his actions, and they reconcile with or without restarting the relationship.

(i.e, Mr. Rochester, Mr. Darcy as a less extreme example.)

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I'm just remarking on the fact that the thing that damaged the relationship is so extreme

[(Anonymous)]

How do you reconcile choosing to become the leader of the evilest group in the galaxy? Snoke is dead and Rey offered an olive branch so there was literally nothing stopping him from coming to the light. He still refused it. What exactly is gonna change? Rey coming at him as a friend obviously didn't work. His father coming at him with fatherly love didn't work. He had so many opportunities to turn around but he chose to dig himself in a deeper hole.

Despite what shippers think Reylo isn't even an official romance in the way Padme/Anakin and Han/Leia were. More like it was soured before it could ever leave the dock.

Kylo might very well be redeemed but do you think Kylo will ever live happily ever after since he killed his father in cold blood? No way he could ever live with himself if he is not committed to the dark side.

[(Anonymous)]

The worse he is the more romantic his conversion gets. See: all Harlequins, ever.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Although romance stories thrive on second-act mistakes and third-act redemption, in real life no usually does mean no, and not "try again later" and emo guy doesn't get a second chance.

(Darcy is a weird example here because the misunderstanding was on both sides.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t much like Darcy or Rochester, but at least they didn’t work for or lead an army of space Nazis. I keep seeing Reylo shippers latch onto that narrative, but usually in stories where the broody Byronic hero is that fucked up, the asshole doesn’t get the girl and the happily-ever-after.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get the people that don't understand that we just saw Act II. The Grovel is yet to come.

[(Anonymous)]

But just because there's going to be a Grovel doesn't mean that we know what comes after that. I mean, say it's a Gothic romance, it's just as much a chance it ends in Gothic tragedy. Just saying there's going to be a Grovel still leaves a pretty wide range of possibilities of what it's going to look like.

[(Anonymous)]

This is Star Wars, so hope is a big theme. I just don't see Episode IX being a tragedy.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT—But lots of Star Wars fans think it would be a tragedy if after what he’s done, Kylo doesn’t die. The only way I could be onboard with Kylo’s redemption would be if he died to protect or save Rey, or, preferably, Leia. It would not feel like a hopeful ending if Kylo and Rey locked lips or hugged to the sounds of triumphant or romantic music, because wanting to impress/fuck someone so badly that you’d stop being the leader of a genocidal army for the chance is creepy as shit. If he felt that what he was doing was awful and cruel and wished to make what amends he could, that would be one thing. But for Rey to be the reason he behaves himself would be disgusting.

[(Anonymous)]

You're making a lot of assumptions about things I didn't say.

I don't want to get into the why of it here, but Kylo Ren dying would be a tragedy for me and a lot of other fans who see parts of themselves in him.

[(Anonymous)]

That is very, very sad. Both that you aren't mentally prepared for this eminently likely scenario to occur and that you've strongly identified with a pathetic, emo man-baby with homicidal and megalomaniacal tendencies whose most notable character trait is blaming other people for his failings. On the plus side, if Kylo Ren's death is what you consider a tragedy, then you're living the good life.

[(Anonymous)]

"But lots of Star Wars fans think it would be a tragedy if after what he’s done, Kylo doesn’t die."

Uhh....

[(Anonymous)]

That's not actually what happened though, but okay

[(Anonymous)]

This is literally NOT what actually happened in the movie, though. Their relationship, in reality, was left unresolved. She decided not to go all "fuck everything" with Kylo, but there was absolutely nothing stated that she rejected him on any romantic - or even friendly level. She just left. That was it. No explanation.

I mean, you're allowed to read whatever into it you want, if it makes you happy, but don't twist your own interpretations into what actually is canon. We are only on movie two of a trilogy, things can go absolutely any direction. I don't give a rat's ass about the pairing, but I also would bet money on a Reylo kiss in the next movie above not.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Shutting the door in someone's face is a pretty clear signal, as was the look of horror when he started describing his ideal galaxy.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, you cannot make an interpretation that isn't supported one way or the other by the narrative and claim it's canon. Rey went to go freaking help her friends, which is in character for her, and more of a logical explanation than "I've decided I will not fuck this man". There was no canon conclusion that she no longer wishes to help Kylo, or has emotionally rejected him - she just did not want to go along with his plans.

[(Anonymous)]

She rejected his plans entirely, and rejected the idea of siding with him in any way as long as he remains committed to those plans.

That doesn't mean that she gave up on him entirely, no. But it was a major moment of choice for both of them, and he made his choice, and she rejected him because of the choice that he made.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Nowhere have I claimed my interpretation to be canon. I've provided an interpretation based on the events shown on-screen in the film.

For Kylo Ren, "emotional rejection" and "did not want to go along with plans" are one and the same. He want to reshape the galaxy because HE wants a clean break with HIS past. He's projecting all of the expectations put on his shoulders into a political manifesto. Rey's rejection of his manifesto is rejection of both his political aims and his emotional rationalization of the atrocities needed to get there.

Now of course, they could pull a 180 in the next movie with NEW scenes reestablishing the relationship. But as of the last frames of TLJ, she shut that door so there's no reason to assume their relationship is on good terms.

EDIT: And it's not like they had a strong relationship of mutual trust at any point in the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

There's also zero actual romance in the movie between Rey and Kylo and still people interpret their every interaction as romantic because ~subtext~ which is always, always in the ymmv territory. There is no canon conclusion that any of their interactions are of a romantic nature.

[(Anonymous)]

You saw horror, I saw disappointment.