[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Grace and Frankie]


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03.
[Gillian Anderson]


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04.
[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]


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05.
[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]


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06.
[FX's Legion]


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07.
[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]











Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 34 secrets from Secret Submission Post #582.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm confused. When did it get shot down? I'm not invested in the ship one way or the other, but in the movie I watched, sexual tension was pretty well established.

[(Anonymous)]

IME, when people say that a ship is canon, they usually don't just mean that there's sexual tension between characters. Maybe other people have different expectations, but IME, saying that a ship is canon usually means that there's definite romantic interest or a definite romantic storyline at the very least, if not an actual romantic relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't think that OP meant that ship was officially canon, just that the actors and directors acknowledge the ship and don't appear to object to the fact that some people have interpreted the dynamic as shippy, which goes against the people who are opposed to the ship who apparently deny that the dynamic is at all shippy.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not the same as saying that everyone who dislikes the ship has lost. The secret is super triumphalist.

[(Anonymous)]

If their goal is to make the shippy dynamics go away, but the creators show no sign of wishing to erase the shippy dynamics or otherwise seem inclined to encourage the shippers, then it kind of is a lost cause.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK i've seen loads of people who make posts about 'X-ship is so canon!' only for that to not be the case at all, it's gotten to the point where i assume that a post like that is being hyperbolic rather than truthful these days.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

When Rey realized Ben 1) had more daddy issues than she did and 2) defeated Snoke just to replace him. Then she shut the figurative door in his face.

[(Anonymous)]

He literally chose being super evil over her

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Exactly, and she chose to be rebel scum over him. So it's a ship in the "ships passing in the night" sense, then figuring out irreconcilable differences before anything serious happened.

[(Anonymous)]

That is actually a common trope in narratives like this.

1) Male character has attraction to female character, female character is intrigued and initially reciprocates 2) Male character, although he is sincere about wanting a relationship, botches a potential relationship through selfish behavior and being an asshole, damaging the relationship with the female character, who wants nothing to do with him at this point - and for good reason, 3) Male character is forced to reevaluate his actions and choices, makes sincere amends and usually after being punished narratively for his actions, and they reconcile with or without restarting the relationship.

(i.e, Mr. Rochester, Mr. Darcy as a less extreme example.)

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I'm just remarking on the fact that the thing that damaged the relationship is so extreme

[(Anonymous)]

How do you reconcile choosing to become the leader of the evilest group in the galaxy? Snoke is dead and Rey offered an olive branch so there was literally nothing stopping him from coming to the light. He still refused it. What exactly is gonna change? Rey coming at him as a friend obviously didn't work. His father coming at him with fatherly love didn't work. He had so many opportunities to turn around but he chose to dig himself in a deeper hole.

Despite what shippers think Reylo isn't even an official romance in the way Padme/Anakin and Han/Leia were. More like it was soured before it could ever leave the dock.

Kylo might very well be redeemed but do you think Kylo will ever live happily ever after since he killed his father in cold blood? No way he could ever live with himself if he is not committed to the dark side.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Although romance stories thrive on second-act mistakes and third-act redemption, in real life no usually does mean no, and not "try again later" and emo guy doesn't get a second chance.

(Darcy is a weird example here because the misunderstanding was on both sides.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t much like Darcy or Rochester, but at least they didn’t work for or lead an army of space Nazis. I keep seeing Reylo shippers latch onto that narrative, but usually in stories where the broody Byronic hero is that fucked up, the asshole doesn’t get the girl and the happily-ever-after.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get the people that don't understand that we just saw Act II. The Grovel is yet to come.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not actually what happened though, but okay

[(Anonymous)]

This is literally NOT what actually happened in the movie, though. Their relationship, in reality, was left unresolved. She decided not to go all "fuck everything" with Kylo, but there was absolutely nothing stated that she rejected him on any romantic - or even friendly level. She just left. That was it. No explanation.

I mean, you're allowed to read whatever into it you want, if it makes you happy, but don't twist your own interpretations into what actually is canon. We are only on movie two of a trilogy, things can go absolutely any direction. I don't give a rat's ass about the pairing, but I also would bet money on a Reylo kiss in the next movie above not.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Shutting the door in someone's face is a pretty clear signal, as was the look of horror when he started describing his ideal galaxy.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, you cannot make an interpretation that isn't supported one way or the other by the narrative and claim it's canon. Rey went to go freaking help her friends, which is in character for her, and more of a logical explanation than "I've decided I will not fuck this man". There was no canon conclusion that she no longer wishes to help Kylo, or has emotionally rejected him - she just did not want to go along with his plans.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexual tension? Between the two most non-sexual characters in all of Star Wars?

Perhaps it was shot down when both refused to compromise. The fact Kylo is now the Big Bad leader of space nazi's of his own choice. Snoke is dead so there is no one manipulating him anymore. Luke is dead so there is no revenge angle. What, except death, is gonna redeem him? Certainly not Rey since she already failed spectacularly at converting him through friendly methods.

[(Anonymous)]

The shirtless Kylo scene with Rey being uncomfortable served absolutely no other literary purpose besides to shove some intended sexual tension between them. Like, there's no other way to read that scene, it was so forced in there.

And we still have one movie to go, so absolutely nothing was "shot down". Lol at this absolute refusal to believe that fiction would ever be daring enough to go the bad guy/good girl canon romance, that would be totally unprecedented, no way that would ever happen!

[(Anonymous)]

Shirtless Kylo could have also been used to show this avenue getting shut down.

Hmm, last time we had a shirtless scene, it lead to someone force choking his wife. Now there's a bad guy/good girl relationship. It went really really bad. Star Wars- and Disney- is not going to show it any other way.

[(Anonymous)]

The shirtless Kylo scene with Rey being uncomfortable served absolutely no other literary purpose besides to shove some intended sexual tension between them. Like, there's no other way to read that scene, it was so forced in there.

According to the writer/director, it was to establish that Rey and Kylo could actually SEE each other as opposed to just hear/sense through the Force.

[lily_everhart]

People interpret the ending where she shuts the door figuratively in Kylo's face that she has rejected him permanently. Personally, I didn't think they had that much sexual tension and Rey didn't seem too interested in Kylo sexually. At this point I don't think it's likely they will get together. I think they kinda have a Snape/Lily thing going where Kylo is more into Rey than Rey is into him, and Kylo picking the dark side over Rey ends any possibility of there being a relationship (like Snape choosing his Death Eater friends over Lily and the whole calling her a mudblood mess).

That's just where I feel the story is right now. It could become canon which is meh to me. I think I'm the only person who is just blah about Reylo. Don't love it or hate it. It's just sorta there for me. But honestly that's how all Star Wars ships feel to me.

[rosehiptea]

I don't love or hate Reylo... I might even say I like it a little, but I'm not rooting for it to happen in canon at all. And I think what you're saying makes sense.