[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Grace and Frankie]


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03.
[Gillian Anderson]


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04.
[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]


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05.
[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]


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06.
[FX's Legion]


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07.
[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]











Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 34 secrets from Secret Submission Post #582.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What movie did you watch? TLJ baited Reylo shippers, then shot them down HARD. If anyone "won" it was the antis.

[(Anonymous)]

Very YMMV here. I seriously doubt the dynamics established in TLJ will go away, and I wouldn’t call it baiting given the director’s comments on the dynamic and the film.

[(Anonymous)]

I think TLJ is fascinating in how differently people saw the same movie. For instance, with regards to Reylo, people I know who are not in SW fandom but watch all the movies have all said to me that they didn't see Reylo after TFA but they were on board with it after TLJ (to one degree or another). None of them had the opinion that the ship had been sunk or shot down.

My opinion is that there's definitely room for JJ to go wherever he wants with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm confused. When did it get shot down? I'm not invested in the ship one way or the other, but in the movie I watched, sexual tension was pretty well established.

[(Anonymous)]

IME, when people say that a ship is canon, they usually don't just mean that there's sexual tension between characters. Maybe other people have different expectations, but IME, saying that a ship is canon usually means that there's definite romantic interest or a definite romantic storyline at the very least, if not an actual romantic relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't think that OP meant that ship was officially canon, just that the actors and directors acknowledge the ship and don't appear to object to the fact that some people have interpreted the dynamic as shippy, which goes against the people who are opposed to the ship who apparently deny that the dynamic is at all shippy.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not the same as saying that everyone who dislikes the ship has lost. The secret is super triumphalist.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK i've seen loads of people who make posts about 'X-ship is so canon!' only for that to not be the case at all, it's gotten to the point where i assume that a post like that is being hyperbolic rather than truthful these days.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

When Rey realized Ben 1) had more daddy issues than she did and 2) defeated Snoke just to replace him. Then she shut the figurative door in his face.

[(Anonymous)]

He literally chose being super evil over her

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Exactly, and she chose to be rebel scum over him. So it's a ship in the "ships passing in the night" sense, then figuring out irreconcilable differences before anything serious happened.

[(Anonymous)]

That is actually a common trope in narratives like this.

1) Male character has attraction to female character, female character is intrigued and initially reciprocates 2) Male character, although he is sincere about wanting a relationship, botches a potential relationship through selfish behavior and being an asshole, damaging the relationship with the female character, who wants nothing to do with him at this point - and for good reason, 3) Male character is forced to reevaluate his actions and choices, makes sincere amends and usually after being punished narratively for his actions, and they reconcile with or without restarting the relationship.

(i.e, Mr. Rochester, Mr. Darcy as a less extreme example.)

[(Anonymous)]

That's not actually what happened though, but okay

[(Anonymous)]

This is literally NOT what actually happened in the movie, though. Their relationship, in reality, was left unresolved. She decided not to go all "fuck everything" with Kylo, but there was absolutely nothing stated that she rejected him on any romantic - or even friendly level. She just left. That was it. No explanation.

I mean, you're allowed to read whatever into it you want, if it makes you happy, but don't twist your own interpretations into what actually is canon. We are only on movie two of a trilogy, things can go absolutely any direction. I don't give a rat's ass about the pairing, but I also would bet money on a Reylo kiss in the next movie above not.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Shutting the door in someone's face is a pretty clear signal, as was the look of horror when he started describing his ideal galaxy.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexual tension? Between the two most non-sexual characters in all of Star Wars?

Perhaps it was shot down when both refused to compromise. The fact Kylo is now the Big Bad leader of space nazi's of his own choice. Snoke is dead so there is no one manipulating him anymore. Luke is dead so there is no revenge angle. What, except death, is gonna redeem him? Certainly not Rey since she already failed spectacularly at converting him through friendly methods.

[(Anonymous)]

The shirtless Kylo scene with Rey being uncomfortable served absolutely no other literary purpose besides to shove some intended sexual tension between them. Like, there's no other way to read that scene, it was so forced in there.

And we still have one movie to go, so absolutely nothing was "shot down". Lol at this absolute refusal to believe that fiction would ever be daring enough to go the bad guy/good girl canon romance, that would be totally unprecedented, no way that would ever happen!

[(Anonymous)]

Shirtless Kylo could have also been used to show this avenue getting shut down.

Hmm, last time we had a shirtless scene, it lead to someone force choking his wife. Now there's a bad guy/good girl relationship. It went really really bad. Star Wars- and Disney- is not going to show it any other way.

[(Anonymous)]

The shirtless Kylo scene with Rey being uncomfortable served absolutely no other literary purpose besides to shove some intended sexual tension between them. Like, there's no other way to read that scene, it was so forced in there.

According to the writer/director, it was to establish that Rey and Kylo could actually SEE each other as opposed to just hear/sense through the Force.

[lily_everhart]

People interpret the ending where she shuts the door figuratively in Kylo's face that she has rejected him permanently. Personally, I didn't think they had that much sexual tension and Rey didn't seem too interested in Kylo sexually. At this point I don't think it's likely they will get together. I think they kinda have a Snape/Lily thing going where Kylo is more into Rey than Rey is into him, and Kylo picking the dark side over Rey ends any possibility of there being a relationship (like Snape choosing his Death Eater friends over Lily and the whole calling her a mudblood mess).

That's just where I feel the story is right now. It could become canon which is meh to me. I think I'm the only person who is just blah about Reylo. Don't love it or hate it. It's just sorta there for me. But honestly that's how all Star Wars ships feel to me.

[rosehiptea]

I don't love or hate Reylo... I might even say I like it a little, but I'm not rooting for it to happen in canon at all. And I think what you're saying makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

TBF the movie did throw a lot of bones for Reylo to enjoy. But yeah, it did not end favorably for them. Pretty sure Kylo is gonna die or go into exile... there is no happily ever after for him.

[(Anonymous)]

here's the thing though

franchises like this will always follow the cheesiest and most predictable route. if there's a female character and a male character sharing a spotlight (who aren't family members and neither are portrayed as a mindless killer) they will always end up in a ship in the end.

that's just how it goes, unfortunately. a male character and a female character who share the spotlight can never just be friends. as much as i'd love to be proven wrong, i know that i won't.

[(Anonymous)]

Harry and Hermione? Rey and Finn? Black Widow and Captain America? Wonder Woman and Batman?

[(Anonymous)]

Hermione and Ron shared the spotlight. Finn is too black for a main romance with the white girl in this big a franchise (which is why they relegated him to support character status and set him up with a more homely looking POC chick). Black Widow and Bruce Banner shared a spotlight. Haven't watched the DC movies so idk.