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[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

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[Grace and Frankie]

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[Gillian Anderson]

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[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]

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[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]

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[FX's Legion]

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[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]

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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]

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Oh honey, your persecution complex is showing.
And no. If you seriously think Peta is doing better for animals than meat eaters, you really need to do your research again because damn, you're so wrong. And a bit of a hypocrite yourself.

DA

People who consume animal products support an industry that tortures and kills an unimaginable amount of animals each year... No one has the moral high ground here.

The difference being one side being aware of it and not trying to pretend they aren't hurting animals and the other side pretending to be some saintly animal saviours when they're anything but. It's like online bullies who harass others under the guise of a moral highground.

A lot of people do try to pretend their animal product consumption doesn't hurt animals, though. They'll talk until they're blue in the face about how footage of animal abuse on factory farms is just vegan propaganda/cherrypicked extreme examples and most farms aren't like that, or how their meat is killed humanely so it's fine, or their meat lived a good life before it was killed so it's fine, even when they buy dirt cheap definitely-not-grassfed-organic-pasture-raised meat and they don't truly believe there's a humane way to kill something that doesn't want to or have to die. The vast majority of people are compassionate and don't want to hurt animals, so they don't want to think that their diet is hurting animals, so they'll come up with any number of reasons why their diet either doesn't really hurt animals, or is okay because it's a necessary evil and can't be avoided.

People who support PETA probably have similar reasons. They want to help animals and don't want to hurt anyone, so if they even know about PETA's misdeeds to begin with, they convince themselves that they aren't that bad (or maybe even that they've been made up or exaggerated as meat/dairy industry propaganda) or that it's okay that PETA "occasionally" misbehaves because it's for a good cause and it probably all evens out in the end.

You can't equate random celebrities with PETA executives who advocate (to use an example from this thread) slaughtering domestic cats any more than you can equate your average meat eater with slaughterhouse workers who beat and laugh at the animals before killing them.

The people you talk about in your first paragraph still aren't a organisation making money off of the incorrect myth that they're some sort of animal saviours.

And let's not pretend vegans are hypocrite-free. If I just count the amount of vegans refusing to eat honey because "aw poor bees" but continue chugging almond milk by the gallon ...

Where did I claim that vegans were not hypocrites?

Not all omnivores are making money of of that, but the meat/dairy industry certainly helps to perpetuate those views in order to make money. Not all omnivores make money from that, just as not all vegans drink almond milk or are associated with PETA. But to insinuate that PETA is the only one in the argument profiting from hypocrisy is false.

Or, indeed, not eating honey because of bees but still buying products produced in 3rd world sweatshops

Because if you do one good thing, you have to do all the good things?

I'm not saying that but the reality is I'm going to give some stinkeye to people who follow a claimed principle when it applies to bees but not when it applies to other people

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Yeah, it's impossible to be 100% cruelty free so lets not try at all. Gonna buy a hummer and dump some old packing peanuts into the river now. See ya!

Do go on, you're being a great example that veganism apparently kills brain cells.

DA

Would you care to actually respond to any of the actual arguments in this thread, or is "lol vegans r dumb XD" the extent of the contribution you'd like to make?

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What is wrong with almond milk?

This is true for fruit farms in general but almond farming is the biggest culprit: For pollinating almond trees, they keep driving truckloads of bees from farm to farm, let them pollinate the trees, then pack up and move on. And thousands if not millions of bees die during those transports. So almonds as well as certain types of fruit are not vegan and some honey from a local beekeeper is actually much more cruelty free than almond milk.

Original Anon

Where in my post do you get that I think I'm some saint. All I said is meat eaters who bitch about PETA are fucking hypocrites.

I never said YOU said that you idiot.

I'm not the first person to talk about vegans being saints. You seem terribly confused.

Peta literally steals people's pets to kill them. They'd rather all animals be dead than exist. That is as dumb as those people who don't vaccinate because they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one. They don't even deny it, they want all domesticated animals dead.

"When I wrote Ingrid Newkirk to ask her how, as an animal rights organization, PETA could oppose non-lethal programs for feral cats in shelters, and why her organization advocates that they be rounded up and killed, Newkirk wrote back that PETA is not an animal rights organization, stating in no uncertain terms: “We do not advocate 'right to life' for animals.” "

Yes, they are horrible. I don't think a single person in this entire thread is defending them. Even within the animal rights community, they're pariahs, shunned and boycotted when they come to animal rights events.

But how many animals are you killing literally every single day with your diet and purchases when you could easily lower that amount drastically?

You're both killers.

Not to say that vegans are never responsible for any animal deaths. That's simply impossible. But at least we're trying instead of doing nothing and pointing our fingers at everyone else. Shifting blame to everyone but ourselves for the state of things for animals on this planet.

Animals that die in the meat industry do so so that other animals can live. It's for a REASON, and an important one, and humans are far from the only animal that consumes meat. Killing an animal just to kill it is a very different issue.

Rofl, okay. Meat eaters, who contribute more than the entire transportation industry combined to climate change, and are top contributors to deforestation, extinction, desertification, and animal cruelty are worse than PETA who euthanizes some of their animals.

Yes, I know nothing. Please educate stupid me. I clearly haven't done any research whatsoever into a subject that I have made my lifes work, and managed local organizations on the subject.

i totes agree with you, but you'll never win this fight, believe me. lol. in the past few years, my eyes have totally opened to the majority rules opinions of meat eaters everywhere and that's not even me saying that they have a moral deficiency but that the literal existence of vegetarians/vegans/animal activists threatens them so much that all people who live outside the meat eating norm are just guilt-tripping, holier than thou hippies who it is kosher to make fun of in all forms for the actions of the few/people like PETA.

these people will fight with you until they're blue in the face and will still think they're right because the world as they know it rewards them for it.

Either you and ayrt have some serious reading comprehension deficiencies or you're doing it on purpose.

First time posting on this trainwreck of a thread, but jesus, you're pathetic.

Yeah, I don't expect to win these fights, but I still have to put that voice out there, cause the animals have no voice. Who knows, maybe down the line one of these people will remember something I said at a key moment and it'll all click for them. I gotta try for the animals these people supposedly care so much about while they pay money to kill them for shoes and hamburgers.

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