[ SECRET POST #4069 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4069 ⌋

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10. [WARNING for possible discussion of nazis/genocide/etc]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DID THESE PEOPLE EVEN WATCH RETURN OF THE JEDI

I MEAN ACTUALLY WATCHED IT, ALL THE WAY TO THE END

I'm so glad I'm not in this fandom, it's full of idiots

[(Anonymous)]

The Vader comparison is a little weird. I wouldn't consider Vader a fundamentally sympathetic character - at the very least, not after all of the various slaughtering that he does in Sith, which is the equivalent point to where Kylo is at in terms of the character development. He certainly has dimensions and complexity, but that's not the same as being sympathetic or relatable. And he stops being a romantic protagonist around the same time as he goes full-on evil-y evil. And then at the end of Jedi, Vader is certainly redeemed, but not without massive and significant sacrifice - he gives his life to save his son and destroy the Emperor.

So if you're saying that Kylo Ren is an interesting character in a similar way to Vader, and if you're saying that it's possible for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, I totally agree with both of those things! What I'm much more skeptical of is the idea that he's a fundamentally sympathetic character, a character that we should generally relate to, or that he's going to be redeemed without massive and profound sacrifice that would most likely involve his death, or that he should be regarded as a sympathetic romantic protagonist.

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NAYRT—holy shit thank you so much for articulating that so well. I felt slightly more sympathy for Vader than for Kylo, once we had a backstory for him, but there weren’t many people out there arguing that Vader would be redeemed by romantic love, and it bothers me that so many Reylo shippers are drawing comparisons to Mr. Darcy. I don’t even like Darcy, but comparing him to a mass-murderer is a bit much.