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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-02-25 03:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #4071 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4071 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-25 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
on the one hand, it actually makes a lot of sense

Africa is hugely diverse and full of peoples with their own histories and enmities. I think it's Lupita Nyong'o who has talked about not being black in Africa, but instead being Ibgo or southern or what have you - the internal divides are what matter in that context. "Black" as an identity arises out of the experience of slavery and racism, and Pan-Africanism rises as a response to colonialism and decolonization.

Wakanda, as a nation that has never experienced any of those things, doesn't inherently feel a huge responsibility to other people/nations around them just because they happen to share some physical features and a giant landmass.

OTOH, if you aren't a troll, you definitely didn't watch the movie, because that is indeed the plot.

(Anonymous) 2018-02-25 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
probably the most insightful comment on this thread

(Anonymous) 2018-02-26 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
this is a good point, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to Black Panther, which seems to almost go out of its way to frame things around Blackness as an identity.

(Anonymous) 2018-02-26 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
another commenter mentioned Wakanda as a utopia, and i think there's a fundamental tension there

how do you have a utopian dream for the black identity that is untouched by the degradation of colonialism and slavery when the black identity begins through those massive cultural traumas?

and the movie is about THAT as a question about black identity on a meta-level as much as it is about 'what about helping africa with vibranium' on a plot level

(Anonymous) 2018-02-26 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
and the movie is about THAT as a question about black identity on a meta-level

this is a fantastic, phenomenal, extremely good point right here