[ SECRET POST #4082 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Quellcrist Falconer in Altered Carbon]


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03.
[Grace and Frankie]


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04.
[Fanart of Ashara Dayne from ASOIAF]


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05.
[Hack/Slash]


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06.
[Kevin Smith]


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07.
[Final Fantasy XIII]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 09 secrets from Secret Submission Post #584.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/U7Ph4Tx.png
[Hack/Slash]

[(Anonymous)]

That is some real Escher Girl artwork going on there, boy howdy.

[(Anonymous)]

it's long been a truism of art that a female power fantasy is often going to look like a male fap fantasy

[(Anonymous)]

that's because many males make fap fantasies out of everything.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's different from many females how?

[thewakokid]

Damn straight.

Tank Girl was supposed to be designed to be unfappable. Tank Girl. Dude may have make a miscalculation there.

Meanwhile Vampirella was designed to be female empowerment fantasy. I'm not saying that she failed in that point, but she also happens to be almost stereotypical fap fodder which OF COURSE leads to outrage.

I mean I love them both, but trying to predict the sexual reactions of human beings and then subverting that is a loosing game. There is nothing people won't fap to.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean I love them both, but trying to predict the sexual reactions of human beings and then subverting that is a loosing game. There is nothing people won't fap to.

Say hello to Rule 34

[thewakokid]

Yeah, exactly. There are non-anthropomorphic creatures there. People are fapping to the most bizzarly shaped stuff. Trying to say "men fap to it so it's anti-woman" is... actually that kinda explains a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between making fap fodder and a character who happens to be sexy.

Fap fodder is the above image, for example, where the woman looks painful and is contorted into shapes that are impossible and not for the sake of, you know, telling a story, but for the sake of making her appealing.

[thewakokid]

There is... and that difference is entirely in the intention which cant ever know. Some times you can make a guess or say "I think the intention is to be sexist" but in those cases you can only really go on your assumptions.

You cannot, for example, definitely say the above is designed to be fap fodder. Given that Vlad felt it necessary to defenestrate the girl, I suspect she is supposed to be a threat disguised as fap fodder. I do not remember this issue, but Vlad's a good guy. He's chucking a chick out a window, then she was the villain. You could suggest that she is a villain designed sexy for no reason other than to be fapped over, or you could suggest that she is designed to be sexy so the reader doesn't realize she's a villain until she becomes a threat to Vlad.

Either could be true, honestly, but you can't say that she's objectively one thing or the other without knowing the mind of the creator. A single panel of a classic Vampirella comic could be read as fap fodder, but that was not the intent behind the design therefore is it still fap fodder? Likewise early Wonder Woman, Was she just BDSM porn because that's how people read it, or does the intent change it? I think it does

Then for balance there's the other side, characters who are designed to be fap fodder - Openly admitted by the creator - See Empowered as an example. I'm not of the opinion that her design and the motivations behind it lessen the character in any way.

[(Anonymous)]

Not at all! There can be overlap, but most "female power fantasies" don't involve weird contorted porn positions and undersized clothes falling off.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. There's sexy, and then there's... This.

[(Anonymous)]

I read that as 'overfap' XD

[(Anonymous)]

Seems sexist. Misogynist may be an accusation too far.

[(Anonymous)]

There are some genuinely complicated areas, where the boundaries between those things are really unclear or where both things exist at the same time or where neither category is quite right to understand what's going on. It's a tension that definitely exists.

But that said, in 85% of cases, it's not really that hard to figure out which it is.

[bio_obscura]

I feel the same way often. Plenty of writers and artists seem to think that having a strong female character makes it okay to objectify her.

[(Anonymous)]

Was she cut in half before she was thrown out the window? That's the only way I can figure that the distance between the bottom of her chin and the top of those G cups makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be more worried that her eyes want my soul

[maximumhusky]

I sympathize, OP. :(

[(Anonymous)]

Shouldn’t she, like, be bleeding from those glass shards?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god her RIGHT ARM. Ow at everything here!

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno. Some shows I've seen with extremely obvious male gaze fanservice have the most *interesting* female characters (Well, in Japanese media anyway, maybe elsewhere)

It's like they're dragging in a bread-and-butter audience with the fanservice to pay production costs and then go to town on developing the plots and personalities of the female characters who are already at the front of the stage.

I can live with a bit of fanservice not directed at me, if I get the plots and the personalities.

[thewakokid]

God damn, I love Hack/Slash. I really miss Vlad.