[ SECRET POST #4086 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4086 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh, geez, the tinhatter sorts are here now, too?

I remember hanging out in the FakeNews community back in the day, but yeah, back then people who liked Jon and Stephen together (myself included!) were just having a bit of fun with the concept. I don't remember it ever crossing over into active speculation about their real life sexuality or anything of that sort, or fans arguing with each other over the issue.

Sad to hear that kind of attitude has shown up in that fandom in recent times. I have yet to personally come across any of those sorts of comments you mention, but I'm not on a whole lot of social media platforms (I don't have Twitter or Tumblr accounts, for instance), so apparently I've just been lucky enough to miss that type of conversation. But now I know they're out there, I'll just try to stay away from that type of discussion as much as possible.

[(Anonymous)]

... and some wonder why RPF has a rep as being icky?

[(Anonymous)]

And then one always chimes in with this "helpful" comment. Thanks. This comment is so old and tired now. Someone change the fucking record.

[(Anonymous)]

The tinhatters have mooved on to fake news?

[maximumhusky]

I appreciate you for you distinguishing "a personal, enjoyable fan idea" from "I will hunt down and kill anyone and anything that gets in the way of my fap fantasies. Screw reality REEEEEEEEEEE"

I think fandom in general has gotten way too zealous, witch hunt-y, and reaching towards extremes. Hopefully you can keep doing what you're doing, being a chill person who acknowledges that the celebrities you crush on have actual lives and aren't objects, and maybe fandom will shift back into being chill. Or at the very least you'll provide a safe haven for folks who aren't into internet craziness.

Not really an RPF fan, but I think you seem cool. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf. As someone who kind of used to ship them back in day, reading about that is making me cringe.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I had no idea that fandom was still active (I was also into it back in the day).

[(Anonymous)]

Same, OP, same. I've dipped my toe in some RPF fandoms, and never talk about it unanon and even post mine under a sock puppet. Luckily my little corner in sports RPF seems pretty sane, but still. Because you don't want to be associated with the crazies who think this shit is real. I only wanted to read about the hot people banging, dammit!

[(Anonymous)]

I was into this too, the FakeNews LJ comm was a great place to hang out. But even back then I was sometimes a bit freaked out when their real lives/families/friends got mentioned. This is way beyond that.

And yeah, this might be a fandom-wide trend. I get that fandom means being invested, caring too much, but everything gets dialed to 11. I often wonder if people genuinely feel/think how they post or if they're just exaggerating. It seems exhausting.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man, I hate it when RPF bleeds into real life. I'm a couple RPF fandoms and it's fun to just play with a fantasy, but when people start insisting that so-and-so is totally this sexuality and dating so-and-so then it gets really creepy

[erinptah]

Frankly, if it turned out Stephen was actually bi and had steadfastly refused to come out for this long -- not during all his years of playing queer characters, not even while making an It Gets Better Project video -- that would make me less a fan of his, not more.

The fact that people are genuinely tinhatting for it is bad enough, but also, this is not something you should be hoping for or squeeing over! Even the J2 "these actors have been in sham marriages with prop children for a decade" tinhats have generally accepted that their story doesn't exactly make the subjects look sympathetic.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

There is no duty to publicly come out of the closet.

IMNSHO, the tinhatter belief that they're championing gay/bi men by accusing people of being queer entirely on the basis of superficial stereotypes and ship goggles, then harassing them until they come out of the closet is pure bullshit. It's primarily about having a smug rationalization that one's ship is better because it's more real. And unless you're a clear danger to the community, like Spacey's long-term harassment of young actors and production interns or conservatives building their closets out of anti-gay legislation, people should have control of their coming out process.

[osidiano]

^^^^^^^ THIS

(though to be honest, I don't know if I think forcibly outing people is okay even if they are a 'clear danger' to the community; often sexuality is a less important factor in victim selection than opportunity. Straight predators attack boys if they have easier access to boys, not because they're secretly closeted. It's far more important to out guys like Spacey as predators than as gay or bi men).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Spacey apparently is a chickenhawk queen. It's a bit difficult to discuss how he was doing quid pro quo harassment as creative director at multiple theater companies without outing him. Reluctance to report on Spacey's sexual orientation was one of the reasons why magazines like The Advocate did not break the story a decade ago. (And to be fair, part of that was that Spacey's agency bullied editors.)

[osidiano]

Oh no, I’m definitely not advocating that people shouldn’t come forward about crime to protect a criminal’s privacy. My understanding of that situation had been that it took so long to break because it’s harder for male victims to come forward about sexual assault and be taken seriously than it was about anyone protecting Spacey’s decision to live as a closeted gay man, and I thought that when that part of the story broke — and Spacey released that statement about how he identified — it took attention away from the fact that, y’know, he was doing quid pro quo harassment as a creative director. I didn’t realize that The Advocate had enough to run a story a decade ago.

[erinptah]

Of course no one has a duty to come out, and no one should be harassed to come out, or forcibly outed if it's not a Spacey situation.

Doesn't mean "everything a person does while in the closet is immune to any kind of judgment/criticism/side-eyeing."

[cbrachyrhynchos]

True, but there's no reason outside of ship goggles to assume he's in the closet, and working from that assumption is downright McCarthyist.

[erinptah]

...yes, I agree, that's why I called it "tinhatting" back in my first comment.

[digitalghosts]

Colour me surprised as I am deadly convinced Colbert is out as bisexual simply because I had a friend who known him and linked to some interview. I could also be deadly wrong as I actually have no idea what he does beyond political satire. Only seen short videos from it though and it could be his character creation who is bisexual and I am confusing it. Will take a look if I can find any info and shall edit.