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101. Yeah... That struck a chord for me. My friends and immediate family have known I'm an atheist for a while, but outside of that circle, I don't really tell anyone. I remember having a conversation with my cousin once and the subject of people who don't believe in God (the Christian God, I mean) came up. She wondered how people could think something like that. I said, "Well, I don't know. They're..."

"Evil?" she asked me. And that made me want to cry.

104. Aw... that's sweet.

109. Who is she? I think she's pretty.

138. Oh brother... To a degree, I understand what you're talking about, but the same can be applied to any character anyone fangirls.

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109-- Ayumi Hamasaki =]

Ah. I thought she looked familiar! My friend used to be obsessed with her.

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Wow, what an assumption to make. Fortunately, I haven't had an experience like that. The worst has been my cousin, but since then, I don't make it a habit of telling people, so...

That's a good quote.

I feel the need to clear up a distressingly common misconception about theistic belief: in no surviving monotheistic religion does God live in the sky.

That's because religions have evolved away from the time period that their holy books were written it, which certainly had their gods living in the sky.

Precisely. The Hebrew Bible has God coming down and beating the crap out of Dagon, but I defy you to find one Jew who thinks that Dagon exists or has ever existed.

I'm not sure if you're arguing for or against being literal.
Are you talking about ancient Hebrews or modern Jews? And are you saying that a story wasn't true, or no?

That story obviously isn't literally true (although it's quite badass). Probably few ancient Hebrews believed that it was, and certainly no modern Jews do.

Yeah...and I never thought modern Jews would. If I implied it, I'm sorry.
I think I read your second comment wrong. Heh heh, forgive me. I'm in a bit of an Avatar tizzy.

I THINK WE ALL ARE!

Oh, now we break out the 'father figure' bullshit. Lovely. I recommend Julian of Norwich, Fergus Kerr, and John Shelby Spong for an explanation of why God is not, in actual fact, a father figure (hint: it's because GOD IS NOT A HUMAN BEING).

Dagon's existence has absolutely no place in a universe that coheres to the same set of physical laws. A belief in multiple gods each of whom act independently of one another or of any third party has been untenable for thousands of years. The arrogant belief that there could not possibly be deities is equally ridiculous because it presumes that the human race is actually capable of knowing...well, anything really about the true reasons and forces behind the universe.

And 'magical sky fairy' is a horrible description. 'Magical' and 'fairy' are utter misnomers and 'sky' is just as much a misintepretation of what people actually believe as it is empirically false to anybody with access to a telescope that doesn't show a bearded man.

'sky' is just as much a misintepretation of what people actually believe as it is empirically false to anybody with access to a telescope that doesn't show a bearded man.

I think this is why I was confused before.

And what would you say were the true interpretations? Because that's what it says in the texts. Have a look. http://www.infidelguy.com/article1.html

Or the video for it --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XSpjfyFis

This is rocky ground, but it's been theorised by Karen Armstrong among others that Biblical literalism is more of an early-modern formulation than anything else, and that in some ways it's likely that the ancients differentiated between interpretation and literal fact. This is argued against by several other historians, but in this view the Hebrew texts would have been using 'sky' as a basis for favourable association (vastness, light, freedom) in much the same way that Jesus uses 'salt' in the Sermon on the Mount. Again, there are varying opinions. I'm going to college next month and I do plan to ask my Biblical Literature professor about her opinions on these things.

Re: 101

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I am aware that modern churches are edifices built primarily on coal-fired bullshit.

'The only god' and he can't even breathe on land? These were not sophisticated times.

When you obtain the ability to see the sheer incomprehensible vastness of the universe beyond a narrow triumphalist worldview, and a working knowledge of the history and theory of science and philosophy, you'll understand why I dismiss so-called 'strong atheism' as so much hubristic self-centredness.

And when you stop relying upon anecdotal evidence of individual idiots, and read something that explains the true purpose of prayer (hint: it's not a wish list), and become familiar with the theoretical grounding behind the pronouncements of your Polkinghornes and McCabes and Mertons and Radcliffes, and actually get some grounding in religious theory beyond the useless theories of the fundamentalists and atheists enthralled to the same tiny God, maybe we can get somewhere.

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meagenimage.livejournal.com - 2008-07-18 12:57 (UTC) - Expand

Our FATHER who art in HEAVEN.

Sky daddy, in short.

Your faith must not be very strong if you're this threatened by someone on the internet who doesn't believe in God.

Despairing and going over-the-top because of idiotic misrepresentations (on both sides of this chickenfight!)=/='weak faith.'

Cry moar, theist.

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(Anonymous) - 2008-07-18 13:02 (UTC) - Expand

It's not exclusively American. We've got plenty of them over here too.

I believe in God but the athiests I've known have been far more trustworthy and compassionate than most so-called religious people I've known. To be honest, I actually feel more comfortable with athiests because I know we're not going to get into a huge fight about how something is evil and people are going to hell, etc.