[ SECRET POST #4107 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4107 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're protesting way too fucking much about this, to the point of it being questionable. How on earth is envisioning real life children fucking each other not constitute as pedophilia? It doesn't matter if it's the character you're attracted to, you're still attracted to a child character played by a real life child. You'd have some merit to your argument if you were talking about shota or cartoon shit, but these are actual children you're fantasizing about. Played by real life children. You're attracted to these kids and want to see them fuck each other. I'm not even talking about aging them up, my example was writing fic of them as they are in canon (11-14) having sex. It's absurd that you're trying to excuse this.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Actually, I'm mega squicked by underage, which is why I filter out any fic that involves it. But it's still not the same thing as actual pedophilia. Because "You're attracted to these kids and want to see them fuck each other." is not actually what motivates every fic writer! It really isn't! People write fic, sexually explicit fic even, involving characters they are not attracted to and do not want to fuck. There's more to it than that - it can be about dynamics between characters, it can be about characters people identify with and are picturing themselves as, it can be about remembering what it was like to be that age and have crushes and want to have sex, it can even be about actually being that age right now when writing/reading and wanting to see your own feelings reflected. There are so many reasons other than "I am attracted to this character" for writing that kind of thing.

Every straight person who's ever written het has written about characters fucking who they are not attracted to. Not everyone who wants to read about dragons fucking cars wants to fuck dragons or cars themselves.

I've never said that some people writing underage fic aren't pedophiles, although the proportion is probably minuscule. For one thing, actual pedophiles are not going to be satisfied by fic when there is real child porn available. Most people writing and reading underage fic do not seek out real child porn because they are not actually attracted to children. That's the difference. If someone wants to write fic about two characters fucking, but is not attracted to real children and is disgusted by the concept of themselves having sex with real children or of real children in sexual situations, they are not a pedophile. Really.

I'll be bluntly honest. When you pretend that writing fic about fictional children is the same thing as being actually attracted to real children, you are equating two things that are on very different levels in a way that minimises what pedophilia and in particular child molestation (which are two different things as well) actually are.

If someone is not attracted to real life children then they are not a pedophile. There are reasons other than attraction for writing sexually explicit fic. This is very simple.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I'm mega squicked by underage

Sure, that's why you're writing paragraphs upon paragraphs defending it and insisting the people who write this trash aren't creepy as shit. You're not fooling anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm squicked by underage. That doesn't mean I think it should be scourged from the earth, or that literally everyone writing underage is a pedophile.

But I don't actually need to convince you I don't like underage. That doesn't particularly matter to me. The bigger issue here is that you apparently can't conceive of people writing or reading things they don't want to do in real life, which is fucking wild to me. Like, you seriously can't think of any motivation behind writing something that isn't "Oh, I would like this in real life." That's buck wild.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't particularly matter to you because you gotta devote hours of your life rallying to defend people who write explicit sexual material about/jerking it to real children. I mean, there's playing devil's advocate and then there's this. The fact that you feel the need to defend this so ardently is fucking weird and if you were to attempt this in real life discussion with a group of people, said people would probably want you nowhere near children again. I had no idea there were this many degenerate perverts on F!S, but this is really eye opening. Even /tv/ would be raising a brow at you, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I don't care if you think I like underage, even though it's not true - that's why I haven't attempted to prove I don't like it. I care that you think liking underage automatically makes you a pedophile and by extension that liking anything in fiction means you want to do it in real life.

Can you provide any actual rebuttal to the idea that fiction is not the same as reality? Can you provide any reason why writing or reading underage necessitates attraction to children, when people are quite capable of writing and reading sexual content involving people they aren't attracted to? Can you give any actual support to your argument that isn't "ewww grosssss!!!!" Because you haven't so far.

[(Anonymous)]

I had no idea there are so many people on F!S that lack some basic reading comprehension. I think the other anon explained it very well, and for you to still not being able to grasp the concept makes me wonder if you're either a moral fanatic, a troll, or just a bit stupid.

I have no horse in this race, but even I understand that fiction is fictional, and reality is real. Why is it so difficult to understand? Every other example is perfectly logic (like not actually wanting to murder someone when writing a crime drama), but in this case all rational thinking is suddenly gone?

[(Anonymous)]

Full offense, but the actors in Stranger Things and IT have mentioned they know of fandom and read fanfic. Can you even consider how creepy it would be for them to find fanfiction written by adult women over them having sex, at the age of

[(Anonymous)]

-12? Could you try considering this when you make endless posts spouting how harmless pornfic is of real child actors? I don't care about porn of, say, the South Park kids because those are actual fictional kids created by adults. But that same reasoning cannot apply to characters played by 3D child actors. The wall between fandom and celebrities is non-existent now, there's a high chance they'll come across something like this if it continues on. If you're gonna write smut about these characters, age them up ffs. There's no excuse to write porn of them as they are now.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

1) That's different. The issue there is a matter of access to the fic, not its very existence. Archive-locking a fic so that it can only be accessed by logged-in users, and marking it as explicit so that the adult content warning shows up, are existing measures in place to make that sort of thing less likely to happen. I would support further measures being made to ensure that underage people cannot access material marked "explicit", but if they choose to ignore an "adults only" marker, it's not the writer's fault.

2) You assume that all fanfiction is written by adult women. There are older children and teens in fandom too. Some of them write fanfiction. Some of them even sexually explicit fanfiction.

3) I actually don't agree with the idea that sexually explicit RPF involving minors should be shared freely, because I don't think that it's appropriate to have it potentially accessible by the subjects. However, fic involving characters is different from fic involving the actors. And again, not all of it is being written by adults in the first place.

4) If you want to criticise people pushing unwanted sexuality on the underage actors, perhaps you ought to start with the fucking creators of Stranger Things, who forced the children to kiss entirely because it made them uncomfortable. I consider that far worse and more unethical than someone writing fanfic about the characters fucking, because it involved actual children being made to do actual acts they were uncomfortable with.

[(Anonymous)]

If it creeps them out to read fic, could they not just...avoid fic?

[otakugal15]

Hi troll.

[(Anonymous)]

Characters interpreted by actors =/= real children.

Please, please, learn to distinguish reality from fiction (and maybe turn your indignation to actual paedophiles instead of, you know, people writing fiction who aren't harming real children).

[(Anonymous)]

They're played by real children, you freak.

[(Anonymous)]

In the show. In the fics there's no one playing anyone ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

DA children who are old enough to drive, but that's neither here nor there.

[(Anonymous)]

What. They're all below 16 and were about 13 years old and younger at the time of Stranger Things and IT being filmed.

[(Anonymous)]

The example from the secret itself, Edward Elric, is played by an adult. So no.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a straight woman who writes some f/f because I like the character dynamics and because I enjoy writing about women being happy. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to write sex without personal attraction being involved.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, anon, your anecdotal evidence totally proves people who write fic of child characters played by child actors without even having the decency to age them up are totally not perverts!

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

DA

So it's okay if they're aged up?

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, go nuts.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

So your argument is that people who write sex are inherently attracted to one or both of the characters involved. By your logic, I must be a lesbian in denial for writing explicit f/f sex despite the fact that I have zero sexual interest in vaginas other than my own.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

For a lot of people, yeah. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to much.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

You're the one who hasn't provided evidence proving you have to be attracted to people in the pornfic.