[ SECRET POST #4111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4111 ⌋

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Transcript by OP

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Jesus I wish fandom would learn the difference between "nonbinary" and "gender not specified". This wilful confusion sure seems to happen a lot to settings where it makes sense for women to hide their genders.

[(Anonymous)]

but both of those characters have specifed genders

[(Anonymous)]

Not familiar with your examples, but when a character's gender isn't specified there's usually a reason. And that reason isn't always because the character is in disguise.

[(Anonymous)]

The reason is that Japanese is very gender neutral language. In English we say "she is...". Japanese on the other hand would say "That person is..." or "*name* is...".

[(Anonymous)]

Yet somehow there are many characters in Japanese media who have an explicitly specified gender.

I mean that when writers (not just Japanese writers) purposefully obscure a character's gender, they probably mean for the character's gender to be ambiguous and to be up to audience interpretation, and not just for the audience to assume as OP apparently does that an ambiguously gendered character is "really" a woman in disguise or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

there's room for interpretation and ambiguity in a lot of cases, but fandom isn't necessarily great at allowing for ambiguity or multiplicity

[(Anonymous)]

But Hanji is a woman...

[(Anonymous)]

But so many people in fandom argue that she's a trans woman. *eyeroll*

[(Anonymous)]

"argue" or "headcanon" or "interpret"

[(Anonymous)]

who's the character on the right? I'm in love with that hairstyle its adorbs.

[(Anonymous)]

Kino.

[(Anonymous)]

kino from kino's journey

avoid the reboot if you decide to watch it

[(Anonymous)]

Ignoring the fact that Hange being nonbinary was a throwaway comment made by the author who is a known troll of his own fandom, it actually makes zero sense for a woman to hide their gender in AOT just based on setting reasons. Women join the military (and are basically conscripted just the same as young boys after Wall Maria falls) without prejudice in that series.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m not really familiar with the person on the right, but…
Hanji’s a woman.

1. Because obviously.

2. Isayama never actually answered the question about her gender, just gave a non-answer. He basically just said that “it doesn’t matter, head canon Hanji anyway you like”, which is very different from “yes, this person is non-binary” or Trans or whatever.

3. No one writing a story where a literal son of a whore (who lived in a brothel!) who’s known for being blunt and tactless suddenly gets bashful and grinds out through clenched teeth that masturbation is “that phase” that teenage boys go through and insist that he doesn’t know if he can even explain what jerking off is, would make anyone other than a woman with a vagina not know what masturbation is.

I just wanted to clear that up.

(Also, I might be misinterpreting that last part, but no one in AoT is hiding their gender. All the other girls in the army are blatantly girls. Hanji, no matter her gender, wouldn't need to hide it.)

[(Anonymous)]

Not mention also that the question was obviously taken like "you don't know how to draw women lol".

[(Anonymous)]

I know in a game I played there was a woman in the military who presented as a man not because of the military itself but because of how she was raised. In honesty she didn't care, but she had just become used to doing things a certain way.

Though I guess that doesn't apply to Hanji, but as far as "wouldn't need to hide it".

[(Anonymous)]

You are wrong.

Isayama specifically asked the translators to not apply gendered pronouns for Hanji.

[(Anonymous)]

Hanji isn't nonbinary tho. Like, obviously you're free to headcanon her that way, but that's not a canon fact.

[(Anonymous)]

This happens in the Dishonored fandom a lot as well.
They had a canon LI for the female main character (who was only mentioned in passing in the game but appeared in the prequel novel). The character was clearly meant to be a guy but a surge of "the female main MUST be a lesbian" in the fandom made them tell the author to delete all pronouns referring to the character from the novel to pretend they're totally inclusive and didnt wrote a typical m/f realtionship and everyone should headcanon the character as the gender they want. It turned out pretty clunky and he forgot one "he" but people lapped it straight up as holy planned-from-the-beginning inclusiveness and was obviously taken by the bigger part of tumblr fandom to mean "the character is canonically an enby lesbian anyone who disagrees is wrong!"

[(Anonymous)]

As evidenced by this thread, fandom sure has a hard time accepting canonically nonbinary characters. It makes me sad to think that if I write my character as nonbinary, I will have to make the character explicitly call themselves nonbinary multiple times, before the fans accept it.

Somehow, cis male and female characters don't need to be explicitly referred to as cis male and cis female for fans to get the hint.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing to accept if characters ARE NOT nonbinary though.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

So many in No.6 fandom need to read this. Inukashi is canonically a GIRL. She uses masculine speech, and Shion ASSUMES she's a boy, because that's what she presents as--but NOT BECAUSE SHE'S TRANS OR NONBINARY. It's because a young girl (Inukashi's like 12 or 13) living alone in the middle of West Block? Is gonna get raped SO FAST. Young boys too (see: Nezumi), but even in the world of No.6, Inukashi as a boy is presumed by those around 'him' to be able to take care of 'himself' (and also there is you know the pack of dogs protecting 'him').

But Shion realizes she's a girl when he hugs her, and the anime even shows cleavage in the final episode. Granted boobs =/= girl by any stretch, but you're meant to realize that the presentation as a boy is a self-defense mechanism and not a sign of how she really feels. Inukashi never ONCE says she's a boy.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS, all of this. I rolled my eyes so hard upon learning that Inukashi ends up stuck with the baby in the manga and the novels, but that's a pretty good indication of Not A Boy.

[(Anonymous)]

I am minorly baffled as to Kino being listed as 'gender not specified'. I remember watching the original anime subs and there being the two points in the Colosseum two parter, one where someone refers to Kino as 'boy' and Kino objects saying 'I'm Kino' and another during a fight when an opponent refers to Kino as 'girl' and Kino objects again on the same principal. And what with the hair cutting scene in the OAV, with Kino looking in a mirror and verbally comparing using 'watashi' and 'boku' before settling on boku...I do realize boku can be used by more masculine/tomboy women so maybe that doesn't matter as much, but seeing Kino process changing identity/language stuck with me. The show does give origin story/backstory that shows Kino's birth gender but with the other points and Kino's presentation for the rest of the show I figured it was all intentional not just "not specified". However, I haven't seen the reboot sub or dub and the original English dub definitely went with female and ditched all gender nuance.