[ SECRET POST #4113 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4113 ⌋

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Comments

[agirlnamedtruth]

Oh! I’m glad this came up! I’m not going to get into like ship wars and arguments so consider this more like a poll... but can someone explain the hatred? I put off watching S2 because all I ever saw of Supergirl fandom was how terrible everything becomes after S1 and how super abusive Mon-El was to Kara so I feel like when I finally watched it, my enjoyment was tainted by this expectation that any moment sometime horrific was going to happen but aside from a bit of heavy handed romance tropeyness, I got to the end going “is that what all the fuss is about?” Did I miss something?

[(Anonymous)]

He's a sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks, and Kara going for that rather ruins the message of the show for me. And even when the show calls him on it, he doesn't really change and Kara never seems to be fazed for more than a moment. She never tells him that she needs him to respect her and to stop being a sexist creep. It is just treated as "that's his culture."

Even completely outside shipping I hate him. He's definately got the Ted Mosby traits of faults never called on or minimized and his feelings that he's owed things treated as fine and as things he's actually owed by canon.

[agirlnamedtruth]

I will totally back up sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks but that’s sort of a universal problem, even if you take out the alien aspect. Most beloved male characters I can think of are sexist jerks. Again, you’re not wrong, but I was something expecting less... generally accepted everywhere else in fandom and even accepted of other male characters in Supergirl (I personally wasn’t a fan of the “friend zone” plot line or how Kara was talked about between the male characters when she wasn’t present). Maybe darker fandoms and reality has made me pessimistic but being a casual sexist and jerk and therefore attractive to women seems to be a staple in romantic plot lines, almost as a rule. And some much worse are held up as “goals” on tumblr. That’s the bit that threw me...

It’s a totally valid criticism, don’t get me wrong but IMO, it’s a vaild criticism of most male characters and most men I personally know?

[(Anonymous)]

It's precisely that it's common.

If I watch Supergirl, I do not want a romance. I want a sci-fi comic adventure that actually, genuinely puts the heroine front and center and validates her experience. If I want the usual "sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks," I'll go watch...well, almost everything else in the genre.

It's also worse because this is a show targeted at young women. The message is that no matter what powers you have, you will always be an object -

and yes, you're right that Season One had some issues too, with Winn and the costume and his "friendzone" behavior, or the male characters' chats, but at least they didn't reward anyone for that, whereas Mon-El gets everything: the girl, the storyline, even Lena Luthor. *wry* Rewarding Bad Behavior is my biggest narrative pet peeve. (I don't mind storylines of male characters being assholes as long as the narrative makes clear it's a mistake -- say, Killmonger in Black Panther.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Thank you. Him being rewarded for his behavior is what irked me most.

[osidiano]

I think it's a bit of stretch to call Mon-El abusive, but the romance does feel pretty ham-fisted, and it was frustrating to watch Kara put in all that time and effort so he could come out of it as a decent person. And that was really the way that the show put it, too: Mon-El becomes a decent guy explicitly as a result of his relationship with Kara.

And I don't want to come across like a bitter shipper, but it's doubly depressing when we spent so much screentime in S1 on Jim and Kara's feelings for one another, just to have it get shoved aside for Mon-El and this weird "well we tried to go on one date or something but the timing was off so whatevs guess it's not meant to be." And we get lots of opportunities to compare and contrast Jim and Mon-El especially after Jim picks up the vigilante gig and Kara is in the process of trying to. . . teach Mon-El that his Daxamite powers on Earth can be used for good, and Mon-El is kinda "meh" about it? Like eventually he gets into it and wants to do the right thing and protect people, but he even comes out and tells her that for awhile he was only doing it because she told him to (vs Jim, who doesn't get powers from the Sun, but still puts himself in harm's way because he believes he can help).

So we go through all this, and then we don't really get a pay-off because of the S2 ending, and yet we STILL have to deal with the Mon-El Issue in S3. I think a lot of the hate now comes from the fact that we can't escape him >_>

[agirlnamedtruth]

This pretty much sums up me and all my thoughts. Kara and James felt... solid. They spent so long building a foundation and then the actual thing was really unsatisfying. It kind of felt like when someone (aka the writers) want something so bad and for so long, and then you get it and don’t know what to do with it. It was lazy. Even had they not brought in Mon-El, it was still a disservice to the ship to play it like that.

I really enjoyed the Guardian story line, especially because he didn’t announce it. He didn’t do it for points. He did it for himself because he felt an internal need. I get the frustration from Kara because it’s hard to let someone you care about put themselves in danger but I think that storyline, and Winn’s part in it, was actually solid character development that wasn’t about “getting the girl”.

For real though, the reason I actually saw anything Supergirl related at all was because the actor for Mon-El was an equally jerky character (but fandom darling) in another show I watched and in that shows tags was a gif-set showing every Kara/Mon-El scene per episode with captions like “they want us to think *thing happening such as him buying her flowers for example* is romantic but it’s actially really abusive because...” so I checked out the Supergirl tag and it was full of the same stuff, peppered with gifs of my Queen, Katie McGrath and how Kara/Lena were canon/not shipping them is homophobic, so I decided to watch it for her because I love her, loved season 1 and then chickened our of watching season 2 for about 6 months, hyped myself up for how bad it was meant to be, cringed for a few episodes and then made my peace that they went down the girl falling for the asshole road like every other show ever (it feels like).

But yeah. I’m a multi-shipper by nature so I like every ship on that show within its context and I’m ok with admitting I like unhealthy ships but when people say abusive, I think about that one time when the fandom darling of my main show killed the object of his affections brother because she said she didn’t feel the same way or something like that. And like, how there was this woman where I work that her boyfriend/husband shouted right in her face, like barely a cm from her skin, and how she just burst into tears, right there in front of everyone and nobody even blinked. I asked her if she was ok and if she needed help but she just meekly shook her head and ran after him, still in tears. She came back in the next day with him like nothing had happened. Sorry OT but it stuck in my mind.