[ SECRET POST #4113 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4113 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

He's a sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks, and Kara going for that rather ruins the message of the show for me. And even when the show calls him on it, he doesn't really change and Kara never seems to be fazed for more than a moment. She never tells him that she needs him to respect her and to stop being a sexist creep. It is just treated as "that's his culture."

Even completely outside shipping I hate him. He's definately got the Ted Mosby traits of faults never called on or minimized and his feelings that he's owed things treated as fine and as things he's actually owed by canon.

[agirlnamedtruth]

I will totally back up sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks but that’s sort of a universal problem, even if you take out the alien aspect. Most beloved male characters I can think of are sexist jerks. Again, you’re not wrong, but I was something expecting less... generally accepted everywhere else in fandom and even accepted of other male characters in Supergirl (I personally wasn’t a fan of the “friend zone” plot line or how Kara was talked about between the male characters when she wasn’t present). Maybe darker fandoms and reality has made me pessimistic but being a casual sexist and jerk and therefore attractive to women seems to be a staple in romantic plot lines, almost as a rule. And some much worse are held up as “goals” on tumblr. That’s the bit that threw me...

It’s a totally valid criticism, don’t get me wrong but IMO, it’s a vaild criticism of most male characters and most men I personally know?

[(Anonymous)]

It's precisely that it's common.

If I watch Supergirl, I do not want a romance. I want a sci-fi comic adventure that actually, genuinely puts the heroine front and center and validates her experience. If I want the usual "sexist jerk from a culture of sexist jerks," I'll go watch...well, almost everything else in the genre.

It's also worse because this is a show targeted at young women. The message is that no matter what powers you have, you will always be an object -

and yes, you're right that Season One had some issues too, with Winn and the costume and his "friendzone" behavior, or the male characters' chats, but at least they didn't reward anyone for that, whereas Mon-El gets everything: the girl, the storyline, even Lena Luthor. *wry* Rewarding Bad Behavior is my biggest narrative pet peeve. (I don't mind storylines of male characters being assholes as long as the narrative makes clear it's a mistake -- say, Killmonger in Black Panther.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Thank you. Him being rewarded for his behavior is what irked me most.