[ SECRET POST #4117 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4117 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 11 secrets from Secret Submission Post #589.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

Who is the person doing all these LOTR secrets? How can you think of so much stuff to say?

[(Anonymous)]

Do you not have a favorite fandom you could talk about endlessly?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Two of them are clearly by the same person because they're about the exact same thing in the same exact fandom. Well, I'm always glad for more secrets, but i feel like it sort of 'kills the magic' to notice someone reaching for 'secrets' just to fill up the page, rather than because they are actual secrets for them.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Aule is a direct refutation of Melkor. Aule is a creator and praised for it. The only problem with making the dwarves wasn't that he created them but that he did so in direct violation of an edict Eru set down that the Elves were to be the Firstborn. When he repented for not having waited, he was allowed to keep his creations and Eru even adopted them. Aule just had to do so at the right time and place. It wasn't creation that was the issue. It was going against God.

Independence might be okay in some sense but Melkor used his independence to cause destruction and chaos. He couldn't stand that the Valar were doing things he wasn't in control of. He destroyed their initial lamps for no reason. That kind of behavior is unacceptable and they were right in their actions against him. And he too was praised for some of his actions. His cold made lovely snowflakes that Ulmo said he would not have thought of without it (or rain? I'm not sure which is being pointed out here).

[(Anonymous)]

I was gonna say this too. Another thing is that IIRC it's said Aule only created the dwarves/ imitated Eru Iluvatar in order to honor Him, whereas Melkor twisted Iluvatar's creations in order to mock God and "create" his own army to overthrow everything or whatever. So there's a straightforward example of creation NOT being a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

do people in Tolkien fandom actually not know that Tolkien's creation story is meant to be Christianity But In My Fantasy World? Melkor is Satan. Period full stop. If Tolkien's writings didn't get across that Melkor is the original evil, the fallen Lucifer, the one who is meant to be bad for bad's sake and not actually sympathetic because heaven forbid you sympathize with the devil...then I just don't know what to say.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it's entirely possible to sympathize with Lucifer's motivations in Christian lore as well, and I think Tolkien was sophisticated enough to recognize that too. Besides which he objected to straight analogues to Christianity. He and C.S. Lewis did have quite a disagreement about that, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

+1. It's not like he hadn't read Milton!

[(Anonymous)]

This response shows a lot of historical ignorance. There's a surprising amount of sympathy for Lucifer within Christianity. There's Paradise Lost which features Lucifer as technically the protagonist. And there have been some very flattering sculptures and art created of him. There's also an old surviving pagan religion in parts of the middle east that feature a being who is analogous to Lucifer who falls then becomes redeemed later on. I don't even subscribe to an Abrahamic religion and I know this.