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Wow. Americans are a pretty much hick bunch.

Not once did I say it wasn't an American cultural icon in America. My point was when it has its own cultural niche in Britain why would a BRITISH show made firstly for BRITS think of it as American? It's a pretty big staple food over here.

Yeesh what a bunch of morons.

Does apple pie really have its own significant cultural niche in Britain, the same as in the United States? I've never heard of it being identified as something quintessentially British. I'm not trying to get a rise out of you; I'm genuinely curious that there's something I've missed. I understand that apple pie is a dessert that's popular in many parts of the world, so no need to go over that.

Of course it does. I mean, it's a staple food on our cultural food landscape and has been since time immemorial. Apples are one of the few fruits that grow well across most of the British Isles. Of course they and desserts made from them are a big part of our cultural identity.

There's no real concept of apple pie being American here because it's just something that's always been eaten, it feels as old as the hills.

So in Britain, Apple pie is a cultural symbol, on par with the saying "As American as baseball and apple pie?"

Fascinating.

And just to conform: Other Brits, have you never heard the saying "As American as Apple Pie?" Is it not known at all in there?

AYRT just to be clear, it's not that the saying isn't known here it just doesn't really hold any weight. Why would it when apple pie holds its own cultural value for us?

And that's why I'm so perplexed by this whole thing. Americans thinking that their cultural reverence for Apple pie should somehow hold more relevance for other nations than our own cultural place for it.

*sorry not AYRT, the anon before that.

Yes. Just in a different, quieter, less shouty way.

Listen, if this is the hill you want to die on, go for it. The point of the original apple pie comment is to say that clearly the contestants of the first season of gbbo had a very rudimentary idea of what an "american" pie was. The idiom "As American as apple pie" is a pretty common one, and tied into the platonic idea of American culture. When I hear discussion of British pies they are always meat pies, not fruit ones. No one on the show had to make an apple pie, but no one made an actual American pie either.

Please, OP, go forth and eat as many apple pies as your heart desires to prove... something. But like, c'mon. Mcdonald's doesn't serve apple pies because british people have been eating them for centuries.

No. But then Brits don't eat American apple pie, they just eat apple pie. Like it's been eaten for centuries.

The rest of the episode sure take issue with. My specific problem was people expecting apple pie to be featured as American in a British show made for a British audience. Specifically because we have our own cultural relationship with apple pie.

I think I've said the same thing a million times now. Just because it's a cultural icon in America does not mean that other cultures don't have their own identity surrounding it.

Anyway i'm done. The amount of 'MURICA!! in this thread is enough to get Donald Trump reelected three times over. Bleurgh.

The amount of 'MURICA!! in this thread is enough to get Donald Trump reelected three times over. Bleurgh.

You are gallons of swollen puss-filled ego trapped in a cage of flesh, aren't you? Arrogant swine. PLEASE get over yourself, for the love of Christ.

I'll be damned if I'm going to take any shit about this from the fucking Brits

Don't want the ickiness of having to accept other cultures into your xenophobic world view? Stick to American shows then.

hahahaha, what? now you're just reaching. it was a clear reference to adapting cuisine from other cultures and integrating it to the point that it becomes a cultural touchstone.

...ok, now i've realised the silly depths to which this thread has sunk.

Then you're in the wrong thread because literally nowhere has it been said that it's not a cultural icon in America.

"why the hell would british people see apple pie as american?"

it... it says it right there.

A BRITISH show chose to make that round about AMERICAN pies. I don't think Americans are the morons here.

Yeah. But it's not seen as American here so yeah. End of argument really.

It doesn't matter whether it's "seen as American". Americans consider it a staple pie. The round was about American pies. Brits don't get to define what Americans consider culturally significant and still claim that the theme is American.

I'm actually with you on this OP (and I don't give a shit about Bake Off), just because the phrase itself makes no sense to me.

When my mum or my nan makes apple pie, it's not American, it's the traditional British desert. They even grow their own bloody apples! It's also kinda basic? Even I've made it and I'm no baker.

I get the other complaints about the episode, but not apple pie. It's just too easy.

Yeah this exactly. I don't eat American apple pie after Sunday lunch, it's just apple pie.

Now I'm certain you're a troll

Actually, I think it's probably you who's the troll.

Get over yourself. Quit use Americans to bolster your sense of self, because it's painfully pathetic and we all see right through it.

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