[ SECRET POST #4118 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4118 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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06. [SPOILERS for Avengers Infinity War]



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07. [SPOILERS for Star Trek Discovery]



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08. [SPOILERS for Soul Sacrifice]



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09. [WARNING for possible discussion of torture and stuff]



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11. [WARNING for rape/sexual assault]

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Comments

[tabaqui]

Star Trek *is* flexible, but this show is just freaking bad. Bad, bad, bad.
SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!

We start off with two awesome female characters i'm prepared to really enjoy and get to know. And then - bam! One is dead, and is replaced with boring, *boring*, cookie-cutter white guy with a hardon for war.

And then we get the utterly boring Klingons who look like i don't know what - is this yet *another* Trek universe? Because...wth.

And the story just goes on and on and on in the most ridiculous and over the top and boring way, and we get our 'barely touch ever' gay couple one of which - oops! - dies. Shocker.

I really *wanted* to like this show. I loved the look, i loved the characters initially, I loved the fact that their PE shirts said 'Disco'. But it just got stupid and cliche so fast.
*sigh*

I don't mind that others like it, or love it. Rhapsodize about it! Point out cool things to me! But I watched all of season one and I won't be watching more.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's bad for all those reasons but I also think that this show has betrayed the Trek name because they made it clear over and over again that they don't care about Trek or its fans by continually ignoring canon and shitting all over Starfleet's mission of peaceful exploration. I think it was in the second episode they killed that guy who said all shaken up, that they weren't out there to fight a war and then he gets blown into space. It was like "fuck you, Trekkies." What they did the Klingons could make me weep for days. That was the biggest, continual "fuck you" to both the series and the fans, I think.

I hate this show on so many levels. Both as a life long, since I 5, Trekkie and a fan of genre fiction. I just want people on the creative staff who actually like Star Trek and don't think "dark," "grim," and "edgy" make a story better.

[tabaqui]

YES!
All the 'we have to go kill the klingons and anyone else who gets in our way' crap really pisses me off. I just do not *get it*.

I remember as a wee thing, begging my mom to let us stay up late on a saturday night to watch Trek. We *loved* that show, it was so amazing and incredible.

This show just...fails, in so many ways. Deep Space Nine was 'dark', but in a way that made sense, and made good stories. This is like - the DC comic of Trek.

The same person as before

[(Anonymous)]

Someone said, I don't remember who, that what's hot in TV right now is grim/dark shows full of anti heroes who hate each other and Trek should never be that. In all of the other Trek series there was a very real feeling of camaraderie, even family and that made for the most moving moments in the the franchise. I cry every time I watch Year of Hell when Janeway hugs Tuvok before the climax battle. Of course there's more famous moments like the end of the Wrath of Khan, too.

I think a lot of writers of these grim/dark shows forget that an audience builds its investment in a story through the relationships that characters have with each other. If every characters hates the others and would sell the others out for a sandwhich, then why would I care about them, either? That was my biggest problem with The Man in the High Castle. Pretty much all of the American resistance fighters were the biggest assholes. Discovery doesn't have that with its characters, or at least no where near as strongly as the previous series.

Re: The same person as before

[tabaqui]

Yes! They seem to delight in making characters utter assholes, or incredibly incompetent, or just - so damn full of cliche motivations and cut-out 'quirks'....

It's so very disappointing.

The Trek 'verse i know and love has true, deep friendships that really make you love the characters, and ache for them, or cheer for them. This new Trek - you don't get the idea that anyone even likes anyone else, or hangs out after work hours, or anything. Bleh.

Re: The same person as before

[(Anonymous)]

Discovery's producers don't seem to understand that time spent in Ten Forward, Quark's, the Mess Hall, the holodeck, etc isn't actually filler. It's there to help create a sense of realness with the characters. A lot of people become friends with the people they go to work with and it's the same in Star Trek's universe. The senior officers all hang out together, like you do with your work friends. Relateable!

Trek has tons of cheesy Power of Friendship crap, but that also makes it wonderful. Discovery is way more interested in being "cool" than connecting to its audience on a personal level.

Re: The same person as before

[tabaqui]

Pretty much this.

[(Anonymous)]

I also think that this show has betrayed the Trek name because they made it clear over and over again that they don't care about Trek or its fans by continually ignoring canon and shitting all over Starfleet's mission of peaceful exploration.

People said the same things about (respectively) TNG and DS9. The exact same things. It was silly then. It's silly now.

The same person as before

[(Anonymous)]

Are you getting tired of this STD apologist argument, because I'm sick of hearing it. "Oh people said TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were bad, so they're just bitching about STD now. Let's forget all of the criticism of STD as fanboy (or girl, in my case) bitching."

Is CBS paying you? Can I get in on that if I spew love for STD, too?

Re: The same person as before

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I am dismissing one particular set of arguments for why STD is bad - the argument that it is bad because it's a betrayal of Star Trek canon and Star Trek fans. That's a really bad argument for a bunch of reasons. And not only bad, but historically myopic. But I'm only dismissing that one argument. STD is still a bad show, that's just not the reason it's a bad show. Second, fuck you for saying that I'm a shill being paid to like a thing. What the hell kind of shit is that? Get out of here with that. That's a bullshit argument and it's not true. That's garbage.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. The whole point of this season was that it's easy to do things the aggressive and violent way, and Burnham (plus Saru) standing up to people who did that and finding other ways forward. Do people not realise that Lorca was a villain? Are they blinded by him being in the captain's chair?

[tree_and_leaf]

Spoilers.









He's not even a Starfleet officer! He's from the Mirror Universe!

And we get characters hanging out together. We get Tilly and Michael becoming friends and training together. The crew were having a disco in the second Harry Mudd episode.

I mean, it's not a secret that I'm a fan of Discovery - though I'm also not claiming it's flawless - but I get that it isn't going to appeal to everyone. But I do find some of the stuff people throw at Discovery baffling.

[greghousesgf]

I thought the Klingons looked like turtles which was stupid.

[tabaqui]

I couldn't figure out *what* they looked like, and the whole, weird, 'tortured and modified prisoner'...thing? WTH? With some rape thrown in? Just *NO*, so much no.

[greghousesgf]

pretty much everything you've said in this thread is making me glad I haven't been watching this, it sounds even worse than DS9.

[tabaqui]

I absolutely loved DS9. This new Trek is just...well, it's not Trek, and it's not good.

[greghousesgf]

I don't like DS9 but I can understand why a lot of Trekkers like it, even to the point of it being their favorite Trek. (personally I prefer Next Gen) but I can't understand why any Trekker would like what I've been hearing about STD.

[tabaqui]

I can't, either. I mean - to each their own, convince me there's some good, but....

Blech.

[tree_and_leaf]

Unlike some of the very angry people in these comments, I actually loved Discovery over all, but I'm not going to pretend the Klingon redesign isn't pretty bad.

[nightscale]

I watched it more because the plot kept me wanting to know more. But as far as characters went they were there I guess?

I mean Michael did grow on me as it went on, especially in the mirror universe where the actress actually got to do more with the role, and personally I liked evil!Phillipa, but there's also a lot that I was just so meh on.

I wanted to like Tilly more than I did but she only ever got to 'okay'. Had a few moments where I found her cute but again that was it.

I initially like Staments and Culber and wanted to see where their story was going to go... nowhere at all was it apparently and I am not impressed that they killed off one half of the LGBT couple for a pointless shock death that could have been anyone because that was how important it was after the fact. Even his own goddamn boyfriend(husband? Did we ever know??) barely got any time to mourn him and it was just so shitty.

I don't hate it unreservedly and I liked the plot enough to keep watching but I don't love it and I'm not sure where I am with wanting to watch s2 yet.

[tabaqui]

All of this. It's just so damn frustrating when all this very cool and interesting stuff is teased like a particularly well-done burlesque, but it all devolves into Three Stooges slapstick in the end.

[(Anonymous)]

You *did* get those two female characters fighting along, it just didn't happen the way you wanted to. Also, there's actually a reason why the "boring white guy" is well, boring. But, then again, I don't rule out movies or series just because they have boring white men in them, so I can't really empathize.