[ SECRET POST #4138 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4138 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Gods of Egypt]


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[GBBO, The Great British Sewing Bee, The Great British Throwdown]


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[A Wrinkle in Time (movie)]


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[Richard Armitage/Lee Pace]











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Comments

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

There really shouldn't be any discourse about it

I haven't been seeing any, which means I follow the right people

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

the people that I follow are usually telling other people to shut the fuck up about it. But it's definitely something that's out there - like, there was an actual NY Times editorial by Ross Douthat, stuff like that.

And the thing that's particularly frustrating is, like, there's an actual real underlying issue here - loneliness is genuinely a massive social problem IMO - and this is the worst, most useless, most harmful way to frame the issue. And even telling people to shut the fuck up about it - while correct and justified - cedes the framing of the issue.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's been all over The Guardian, I guess because it's proof that men are shite or something.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[cbrachyrhynchos]

To be fair, it kicked off with a handful of incel sympathizers going postal, doing the death-by-cop thing, and leaving behind stupid manifestos.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, well I'm genuinely confused what discourse we're talking about because all I've seen is The Guardian's toxic masculinity op eds. Though to be fair, The Guardian is my primary news source, and I don't really do social media.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[cbrachyrhynchos]

The latest round was kicked off by an incel-sympathetic post by the Toronto van killer last week. Eliot Roger is kind of the prototype for these kinds of attacks.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the op eds said as much. I'm still trying to figure out what the discourse involves and why people are sick of it and who's telling who to shut up about it.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

The discourse mostly involves two groups of people. One group of people, Group A, saying "Incels are indicative of a larger, more pervasive current in contemporary society that needs to be identified and taken seriously." And then another group of people, Group B, saying basically that the problem with loneliness for men is a real and pervasive one and should be taken seriously, and then extending that argument in a couple different directions - sometimes using it to argue for more traditional gender and family roles, sometimes arguing that incels as a group have a legitimate grievance, sometimes both. The phrase "redistribution of sex" has been used on occasion.

So Group A is telling Group B to shut up, and the discourse is really annoying and stupid - more on Group B's part than Group A's, but Group A still isn't actually great at addressing the reality of loneliness, and they're still allowing the problem to be framed around the idea of "incels" in the first place.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[philstar22]

Yes, but loneliness is suffered by both genders. But more often than not it is men who believe they are entitled to relationships with the women they pick (and would be offended by the reverse of course, because they can't see the hypocracy in calling women shallow while only going for stereotypically attractive women). And you don't have a right to a relationship. No one owes you anything. And that seems to be something a certain type of man simply doesn't understand.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

IA, that's why I think framing the discussion around incels is a mistake and a bad, harmful, incorrect lens to use to talk about the actual underlying problem.

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[bur]

I'm fine with discourse so long as it doesn't involve "this is what happens when women don't spread their legs like God made them to".

Re: Stuff you're sick of

[(Anonymous)]

This. I feel like there needs to be discourse about why men feel this way, open discussion, because otherwise you have the asshole who ran over 20 people (mostly women) down the street from me last week solely because he was an incel asshole.