[ SECRET POST #4164 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4164 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I never heard of this guy before his death. What did he do that was so terrible?

[greghousesgf]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

He had some opinions that were unpopular so that means he totally deserved to get cancer and die.

It's a pretty deranged way of thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure part of his MO was to wish cancer on other people, so

[(Anonymous)]

He wished cancer on people who disagreed with him and sicced his rabid followers on people he didn't like. He was a GamerGater who decided it was about "ethics in gaming journalism" and tried to legitimize what was actually an angry and abusive ex-boyfriend's internet harassment campaign. He was very much a loud asshole, personally and professionally, and this is just part of his former toxic existence.

I feel bad for his wife and child but he deserves every bit of posthumous lambasting he's getting. I also feel bad for his fans, who only seem to want to perpetuate the misogyny for which he became very popular.

Not deranged, entirely deserved.

[thewakokid]

You are fundamentally misinformed about the purpose of gamergate.

[(Anonymous)]

I was about to write an actual response to this but then I read who the comment was from, so I'll just say that I am absolutely unsurprised that you would defend GamerGate and leave it at that.

[thewakokid]

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people

[cbrachyrhynchos]

The idea behind gamergate involved time-traveling prostitution for a one-sentence mention of prior work in an article about Game Jam, from there, it only went downhill.

[thewakokid]

No, The idea behind it was that when challenged on suspected corruption, the entire gaming media closed ranks and spread a narrative.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

There wasn't really any corruption, just a bunch of bros harassing gamers and developers over tends that American guys are a minority of a minority of the revenue these days.

[thewakokid]

There was corruption, my got the regular media is as corrupt as all hell, even if you buy the narrative that gamergate are all evil, even then you cant really be blind to it. But more than any of that the accusations of corruption should have been enough to warrent the press getting interested in their competition in a "well lets see why this guy got fired. lets she why this other guy didn't". there was none of that. what there was was an industry that, when questioned about the ethics of it's practices, as a single unit, put out a massive smear campaign against everyone challenging them.

I mean, I don't expect you to change your mind on this - the language you're using shows an unwillingness to bend, an unwillingness to see your opponents as anything other than how the media painted them - but as an example of the kinda shit I'm talking about, how do you feel about what the mainstream media is doing to elon musk right now? teaming up to do a smear job?

[(Anonymous)]

In two years the "movement" failed to come up with a single accusation that wasn't obvious bullshit, brigaded reviews of a half dozen different developers over trivial "sjw" content, supported harassment that, admittedly, started a few years before, and generally failed to deal with any of the real issues facing gaming.

I've been on a mountain behind mudslides for a chunk of this week, what is going on with Musk?

[thewakokid]

There is a whole helluva lot of accusations that turned out to be true, what are you talking about?

They also got various outlets to change their policies.

And had the SPJ condemn the practices of the games media.

Like, I admit a lot of people under the gamergate tag did a lot of shitty things, but they are hardly the majority. Honestly I'm growing more and more exhausted with this shit each and every day, so I may not be the right guy for you, but can I make a suggestion that you look into sources on the other side? It sounds like all your experience with this comes from one side. I suspect the media side.

The Elon Musk thing is another whole heap of shit I don't really have the energy for. It's out there. Not trying to be a dick, but maybe hit up google.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

The ones regarding Quinn and Greyson were completely ridiculous, and regarding Wu and Sarkesian there's nothing there other than, "I don't like this person's opinons." Thankfully, the movement has effectively wanked itself into irrelevant bullshit like complaining about completely optional character choices in Battlefield V and Battletech, and taking credit for weak box-office returns for Solo, a movie no one wanted released inn a busy summer schedule six months after the last franchise release. (Then there was the ridiculousness of Comicsgate, a non-event sparked by a number of artists who worked for Marvel print getting milkshakes at a con.)

Most of this comes directly from the horse's mouth, GG sources that have not been especially shy at ginning up conspiracy theories about "sjws" destroying the hobby by making more games.

Re. Musk: He's been overpromising Tesla production for years, factory-floor labor problems are common in the industry, his statements about it are outrageous, the press is likely making a bigger deal out of it than they should. There's no good guy there. How is that relevant?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah no. If you criticise people like TotalBiscuit for the things they did, Wu and Sarkeesian deserve just as much criticism. Wu is a bully herself at best and a lunatic at worst - huge parts of her alleged harrassment have been proven to be fabricated.
And Sarkeesian is a plagiarising con artist. This inparticular is not a matter of opinion, that's a fact.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Dude, you still believe that Quinn did time-traveling prostitution for a standard one-sentence mention of pior work in an article about Game Jam. Gamer Gate's standard of "proof" rivals Pizzagate and Sandy Hook truthers in terms of being just plain bullshit. There's nothing there other than other gamers having opinions you don't like. Cut the qq.

I don't really care that much about Total Biscuit, and I'm sorry for his family's loss. But yelling about "SJWs" in half of the game releases and brigading bad reviews within hours after release in order to punish developers is both stupid and bad for the industry. No, it's not an SJW conspiracy when developers follow the money to a wider market.

[thewakokid]

Ok Fuck it, I can do a bit of a list for you if you like. So Quinn I don't give a shit about. She's not exactly a hugely decent person but I don't need her to be. I need her to make good games. Grayson and the other guys committed minor sins by not declaring their connection to her and rallying their buddies in the industry around her against some of her competitors. Forget about the black-listing that happendd with the rival game jam? Various other outlets refusing to support it because it was declared anti woman by quinn?

Wu and Sarkeesian are a developer and ... a Pundit? professional complainer? Hack? I don't know. the fact that the media gave sarkeesian as much attention as they did is sketchy and slightly nepotistic, but that's all it is. It's not on her to not promote herself. It's not even on the journalists to not promote her, but you remember when the media had out backs against Thompson making the same accusations?

There was also Jeff Gertsman who got fired because he gave a bad review Kane and Lynch when the publisher was advertising with his outlet. Blip, you gone buddy.

There's the various journalists working together behind the scenes to push a narrative. UNDECLARED collusion.

There's the black-listing of Liana Kerzner for not toeing the line.

There's various cases of Jornos just blatantly not doing their job AND STILL having a job to neglect to do, be cause fuck you they're our friend and gamers are dead anyway right? see for example: Euro Gamer Vs Adventurine on Darkfall, Polygons Rockband 4 Review by Colin Campbell.

There is a literal army of cases of "Gifts" being given to journos WITHOUT journos feeling the need to disclose them.

The pay for play reviews (You remember the Gamespy Donkey kong shitshow? Actually Nintendo kept doing this, and funnily enough these Games Jornos never seemed to want to write about it. None of them ever called out their competitors. Wonder why? Maybe because they were fucking all doing it?)

And bigger than all of that there is the entire industry working together to dismiss and bury these accusations and labelling anyone who forwards them as misogynists, being openly hostile to their readers and declaring they must be straight white and male in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It was a transparent smear attempt to shift focus from their wrongdoings.

AND IT FUCKING WORKED.

Admit it, how many of those examples cited above had you actually heard of? The The Liana one? The Gertsman one? The Mailing list collusion? That about it?

And there you are up there using the same tactic. Anything bad a person does online, well, we can tie it to gamergate can't we? TRUMP was apparently gamergates fault. Gamergate is not a thing anymore. So, no, Gamergate has no interest in Battlefield.

Were it still a thing, it would not have an interest in Solo. That's a movie.

Comicsgate, however much they want to be gamergate, are not gamergate. Chiefly because they do not have comics media openly slandering. They are a different thing entirely. Probably some cross over in people who identify with them, but I'm not going to be copping any shit for what they do.

I don't doubt that some gamergaters hate solo, or hate Battlefield, but it is no-longer a movement.

Re Musk: He openly stated he wanted journalists to be held accountable and journalists started calling him racist sexist antisemitic etc. You... You don't see anything fishy with that?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh dear, the "I'm so super objective" line. Nope. You have just decided which side to take, and surprise, it's the wrong one

[thewakokid]

No, I'm not objective. I know and understand both sides, and I happen to think, being aware of both side through either reading the media and talking to antis, or actually being a pro with an understanding of what me and people I spoke to were aggrieved about, I happen to think I'm on the right side of this.

I'm not objective, I'm not fence sitting, because I'm on the right side of this. I know my side better than you do. and I know my opponents side better than you do.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Nothing that I have ever seen you post on this site has given me the slightest reason to take anything you're saying here at all seriously, or to give you any credit whatsoever.

[thewakokid]

Really? well, fair enough, I wont convince you. But or the record, I have been... flippant and a bit on the edgy side, but I like to think I have always argued in good faith and have admitted when I've been wrong. I might not meet your definitions of a good person, but by my own measure I try to be decent. Don't have to like me, don't have to agree with me, but you have to admit I do try to be intellectually honest.

[(Anonymous)]

So everyone who makes a "kill yourself" or similar joke/post on the internet deserves to die.

Well good to know, means your lot will have a lot less people soon.
And no, not deserved. Being mean on the internet does not mean someone deserves to die, or is a reason to rejoice in someone's death. Nor does inciting harrassment, voluntarily or involuntarily. (Otherwise people like Brianna Wu should drop dead any second.)

Thinking you're actually justified in this is absolutely pretty deranged.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

He criticized some shitty games (notably Mass Effect Andromeda and Need for Speed: Rivals) and once made a pronoun joke on Twitter.
Of course this gives people free reign to mock his death and call him, his widow and son Nazis. They should be ashamed of themselves.