[ SECRET POST #572 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #572 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 166 secrets from Secret Submission Post #082.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
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Comments

[childings.livejournal.com]

Too many good secrets this week

101 Weddings are overrated and a huge waste of money.
113 I would've made a Darjeeling secret if this wasn't a secret, but since the movie is sort of about birth order I've associated each one of the brothers with me or one of my sisters, so imagining someone wanting to fuck Brody's character is like imagining someone trying to fuck my sister.
127 Wow, a rich head of a powerful company trying to take responsibility for what his company does? How is that not heroic exactly? It's possible to develop weapons for good purposes (sometimes it's necessary to kill people to keep them from harming other people), and it wasn't Stark's intent for them to end up in the hands of terrorist cells. By the way, CEO =/= board of directors as the movie PAINFULLY illustrates. Maybe if you know how corporations work or how the movie is about taking personal responsibility for your own actions, then you would get it.
TL;DR you are a total idiot.
137 There's plenty of porn fanart to look forward to.
145 It terrifies me because I read that book a long as time ago, and WHAT THE FUCK IT IS SO MISOGYNISTIC. As in, a character gets raped AND LIKES IT. WHAT THE FUCK ALAN MOORE. I hate how shit like this gets magically glossed over somehow once it becomes a fucking movie.
156 I don't even know who that guy is or what the show is, but I'm sorry you got hospitalized. :(
170 WATCH LEGEND OF GALACTIC HEROES IT IS THE BEST ANIME EVER
It's so good it's not even a fucking anime (well, it's based on a series of novels, but yeah)
Sorry, that had little to do with Tylor besides "space opera"ishness and older anime. But I agree with you that 98% of all anime is crap.
174 Heheh, I was thinking that too. I always thought Begins was a little weak because there wasn't enough Scarecrow and everything hinged on the origin story (which was based more on the newer incarnation of Batman).

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Heh, good to know I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of LoGH. :D

Btw, I always thought Yang was obviously the source material for Tylor...

[childings.livejournal.com]

I actually just started watching it a couple of months ago, but I've wanted to see it literally my entire adult life. I just couldn't afford to get the vhs fansubs.

I just finished episode 16. It's hard to marathon this show, you kind of just have to watch it once a day or you get overwhelmed. O_O

[weirdreference.livejournal.com]

Thirding the LoGH love. :D

[(Anonymous)]

145. (Watchmen spoilers here) Though I'll definitely agree that Watchmen (and all of Alan Moore's stuff, frankly, I mean have you read "The Killing Joke"?) contains a LOT of questionable attitudes towards women, the character in question wasn't actually raped and didn't enjoy the attempted rape. The two characters knew each other before the incident and interacted again afterward. She found that she was no longer angry at him and they slept together consensually, but she never, ever forgives him for what he tried to do. Again, questionable that she he feelings for him but, to be fair, I'm sure some real people do have confused feelings during these situations in real life.

[velvetcure.livejournal.com]

i agree with everything you just said.

[wllw.livejournal.com]

As in, a character gets raped AND LIKES IT. WHAT THE FUCK ALAN MOORE.

No, actually, a character survived a rape attempt, hates it and the wannabe rapist for several years though she can't really cut ties with him because of their jobs, eventually has an affair with him, which the main characters are shocked and horrified to discover, and it's all treated as a pretty fucked up thing.

I mean, I can get not liking this (I'm not that happy about it myself), but really, oversimplification much?

[childings.livejournal.com]

I don't like to be long-winded, but yeah I was trying to boil it down to that. I don't see how she could fall in love with someone who attempted to force themselves on her against her will.

Other than the fact that I've never given a damn about any of Alan Moore's female characters. I still liked the Watchmen, even beyond just being a historical piece of comic writing, but I don't like how people tend to gloss over stuff like this in Moore's works when they become films and therefore gain more popularity.

[wllw.livejournal.com]

I haven't read it in a while, but I never got that she fell in love with him. I remember her having an affair, which is not the same thing. She never did forgive him. That, and people can be very messed up in real life, too. I don't get women who come back to an abusive husband, but that happens as well.

*shrug* As I said, I'm not a fan of that particular twist, but I don't really get people blowing it out of proportion either.

And I do mostly agree about Moore's female characters. Not that that's anything strange in the comic book industry. Unfortunately.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like to be long-winded, but yeah I was trying to boil it down to that.

No offense, but how the hell did you get all that to boil down to "she gets raped and likes it"? A simple "she has an affair with the guy who tried to rape her" would have worked just as well, and would have been factually correct.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Again, having an affair with a man who tried to rape you is fucked up and something I doubt most women would want to do after they were sexually assaulted like that. LOL REALISM

From the end of the comic where she kisses his photo or whatever, it's apparent that she liked the guy enough to keep his photo around.

[mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com]

Umm, did you not actually read Watchmen? Most everyone in that book is fucked up. Sally mentions at least three times that she's in therapy. And that whole interview she did, she acknowledges how screwed up her whole history with him is. Besides, you say you doubt most women would do that, so you're acknowledging that a few would; Sally happens to be one of them.

Aside from all that, the fact that Blake is Laurie's father is kind of integral to the whole outcome of the story. Jon wouldn't leave Mars until he realized that Laurie's very existence was so mathematically improbable, due in part to her 'mother loving a man she had every reason to hate', and thus made her and every other human being a "thermodynamic miracle".

And anyway, if you want to see a guy with real woman problems, look at Rorschach, not Alan Moore.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, having an affair with a man who tried to rape you is fucked up and something I doubt most women would want to do after they were sexually assaulted like that. LOL REALISM

Oh wow. You clearly have little experience with the real world if you don't think that fucked up stuff like this never happens. Ever hear of the term "battered wife"? LOL REALISM

But anyway, you seem to have completely missed my original point, which was that what happens in Watchmen is different from getting rape and liking it, and portraying it as such is trivializing both the story and the issue of rape itself.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, well, welcome to Alan "I write really fucked up characters. Some of them just so happen to be women" Moore. I hope you enjoy your stay. :)

Re: 145

[childings.livejournal.com]

But the female ones are just boring and fucked up, while you really relate to the fucked up male characters.

I don't really mind that he can't write female characters (I can relate to Night Owl just fine), I just wish he would stop making an attempt if he sucks so bad at it, that's all.

Re: 145

[caeliluminar.livejournal.com]

That's what I've been saying for years. Not that I've read very many of his things, but still, I haven't come across one that didn't have a rape/almost rape/sexual abuse storyline. Ever.

Re: 145

[mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com]

I will say this about Alan Moore-- most of his major works have some form of sexual abuse/rape in them, but for the most part, his minor ones don't. He has no control over which of his works get popular or get the most praise.

I also give him a pass because he never portrays rape as something actually arousing. Any rape or sexual abuse in his works is always portrayed heinous and reprehensible act. After all, who that has read Watchmen does not immediately think "rapist" when the Comedian is mentioned? Yes, he has fallen into the trap of using "rape" as a short hand for "bad guy", but that's hardly the same as making it secretly sexy, which to me is the real problem.

Re: 145

[caeliluminar.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's why I said I haven't read that much. To a casual reader he easily becomes "the writer with the rape storylines", though, which is... well, if not problematic, at least a tad unimaginative. (And a bit annoying, since Watchmen is one of my favourite graphic novels but it still has that one thing that bugs me.) If he can write female characters without that storyline, though, I'd be happy to read it. Can you recommend anything?

Re: 145

[mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com]

Promethea is really good, though it gets kinda densely philosophical as it goes on.

The Ballad of Halo Jones is one of his best early works. It's a bit unfortunate in that it's technically unfinished-- he meant for it to have about 9 story arcs, but he had a falling out with the publisher after arc 3. Still, it's probably his most underappreciated work.

And From Hell doesn't technically have any rape or sexual abuse that I can remember, but it is about Jack the Ripper, so of course there's prostitutes. Basically, replace rape with murder, and that's From Hell for you. It's personally my favorite work of his (because I'm a little obsessed with the late Victorian era).

And though you probably don't want to read Lost Girls (which he freely admits to be porn), there's a really interesting sequence where the "Wendy" character, who has been having rape fantasies about the "Captain Hook" character, suddenly finds herself about to be actually raped by him. She starts to do that whole self-blaming thing, thinking she must have some how advertised that she 'wanted' it to happen, when suddenly she realizes "Wait, I don't actually want this to happen. It was a fantasy, this is real," and she turns around makes a stand against him and chases him off.

Re: 145

[caeliluminar.livejournal.com]

Thanks, I'll check those out once I have time. I saw From Hell movie some time ago and didn't actually know it's adapted from Moore until now. (We actually watched it on VHS, if I remember right.) And I'd actually like to read Lost Girls (morbid curiousity, I guess) if it was available at library (hahaha) or less ridiculously expensive (75 euros at my local comic shop). My quest to read that one is apparently doomed. (My friend contemplated on buying it, too, if it was cheaper and if she wasn't paranoid about someone seeing it on her self. :) I have more comics, some of them on the questionable side, so I'm only discouraged by the price.)

Re: 145

[caeliluminar.livejournal.com]

...I never realised I overuse the word "actually" that much. *facepalm*

[(Anonymous)]

127: I think what you don't realise is that the problem many people have with the movie (including people who liked it, like me) is that bad people = dark-skinned terrorists and good people = Americans. While Stark is certainly trying to make amends, the movie still panders to many negative stereotypes and preconceptions.

sometimes it's necessary to kill people to keep them from harming other people

You do realise that this is what terrorists think, don't you? Who gets to decide who deserves to die? One person's bad guy is another person's good guy, as your comment clearly illustrates.

[childings.livejournal.com]

EXAMPLE:

If someone is pointing a gun at an innocent child's head, and the only way to save the child is to snipe the guy, the guy should die.

Sorry, that's the way it is. If the United States didn't go to war with Japan they would have conquered half of Asia and reinvaded Manchuria. So it's okay for a country or group of people to dominate others and get away with it? Give me a break.

One person's bad guy is another person's good guy

Pol Pot was never a good guy to anyone. GTFO my face with your weak attempt at moral relativism.

By the way, the terrorist cell in Iron Man was partly made up of WHITE FUCKING EUROPEANS aka HUNGARIANS and not just ARABS. PAY ATTENTION. They made a big deal about how they were multicultural and shit.