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No. For something to be steeling someone must lose the possibility of use their property in any way.

If you want to complain about it been wrong, you can argue it deprives the owners of earnings and that no one is entitled of free media, but still, nothing is being stolen.

How does "deprive of earnings" not equal "theft"?

DA

I would hope I'm not stealing from the bakery every time I decline to buy a cookie.

If you took their special recipe and stood outside the bakery giving identical cookies away for free, thus directly lower g their sales, you would be, which is what pirating sites do

Yes, but a person who accepts the free cookie isn't stealing.

DA

i mean, this is a kind of interesting moral question on its own terms - is it morally allowable to accept goods that you know to be stolen?

I'd say it depends, but it certainly isn't the same as "theft" which the anon is saying.

no. It is literally illegal.

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-11 00:21 (UTC) - Expand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handling_stolen_goods

Right, and nobody is saying piracy ain't illegal. They're saying it's not the same as theft.

And unless they have an active registered patent, which seems unlikely, *that wouldn't be illegal,* other than maybe the standing outside the bakery part.

File-sharing is not stealing. It's an infringement on an exclusive right.

steal
stiːl/
verb
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

You aren't taking their cookies, so no, it's not stealing.

No, that isn't the same. Media isn't a cookie recipe. And you giving away free cookies would imply labor and resource costs on your part, thereby putting a hard limit on how much you'd be willing to do it. Pirating and distributing someone else's elaborate creation is a virtually limitless and effortless task.

If you "decline to buy a cookie" because you choose not to eat that baker's cookies, then you are not stealing. But that's not what you're doing, is it?

When you download pirated media, you're not declining the cookie. You're declining to pay the baker for it because you know a guy who stole a bunch of cookies from the shop and is handing them out from the back of a truck. And when the bakery closes down because it can't pull a profit, you'll stand around with the rest of the little thieves crying about what a shame it is that you can't get those cookies you liked anymore.

Embrace your thievery, thief. An honest thief beats a lying, hypocritical one.

That still doesn't sound anything like thievery to me, honestly. Because there are recipes all over the internet meant to duplicate popular dishes from restaurants. If a person used those recipes to cook up a bunch of them & gave them away to people they knew, I'd just consider that a super nice thing for them to do.

Except the original "thief" just bought the cookies, copied the recipe and shared the result.

The baker still has their own cookies and can and does keep selling them, and the impact those other free cookies have on their profit is up to debate in most cases, anyway.

Last month I watched a video on youtube on how to make pizza with the recipe used by pizza hut. Am I stealing from pizza hut every time I make that pizza at home?

The point is, you can argue that piracy is bad and illegal without incorrectly calling it theft. It's not theft.

Theft involves wrongful taking and carrying away personal goods or property. If you break in and take their earnings or the goods they're selling, then you're stealing.

Sneaking in to watching a movie without paying or downloading a movie isn't stealing. The first is unauthorized access, the second the creation of an unauthorized copy. Neither involves taking goods or property away.

Both can cause deprivation of earnings, but that may not be the case at all depending on the circumstances.

This argument has never made much sense to me because in most cases, the person pirating never intended to buy the product in the first place. It's either pirate it, or (if that's somehow not an option) move on and pirate something else instead. They wouldn't have bought it either way, so saying the creators lost any profits at all isn't actually true.

Where's the data suggesting that people pirating are only pirating stuff they'd never buy? And what the hell does that even mean? Obvious people who steal content and know how to steal content are going to be less inclined to pay money for things. Just because they fork over the money for one or two titles every once in a blue moon does NOT mean they wouldn't be buying more if pirating was not an option.

And people pirate stuff they WOULD have otherwise bought all the freaking time.

That doesn't make it okay. They're not entitled to stuff for free just because they don't feel like paying for it.

NAYRT

But if the only thing that is being harmed is the sacred and inviolate nature of property, I find it really hard to give a single shit about that.

NAYRT but the thing that is being harmed is actually, you know, content creators and artists.