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fandomsecrets2018-06-22 06:40 pm
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[ SECRET POST #4188 ]
⌈ Secret Post #4188 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[OP wanted a warning for spiders, also everything below is spoilers and etc.]
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02. https://s33.postimg.cc/olor17zrj/s21.jpg
[OP warned for gore/death]
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03. [SPOILERS for Hereditary]
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04. [SPOILERS for Hogwarts Mystery]
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05. [SPOILERS for Vampyr]
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06. [SPOILERS for Digimon Adventure Tri]
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07. [SPOILERS for Blue Exorcist]
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08. [SPOILERS for Solo]
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09. [SPOILERS for Solo]
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10. [SPOILERS for Solo]
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11. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]
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12. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]
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13. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]
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14. [WARNING for discussion of child porn]
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15. [WARNING for discussion of sexual abuse]
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(Anonymous) 2018-06-23 12:09 am (UTC)(link)The scene would absolutely be seen as sexual harassment if Snape were female, and if I heard about this happening irl I would be shocked and disgusted by the bully's actions far beyond my normal level of shock for bullies, so I don't find it a stretch to call it sexual harassment as it exists.
BUT I think Rowling was too ignorant to realize what she had written. So I don't think it's the worst thing ever for fans to choose to ignore that aspect of canon because it really is terrible in a way Rowling clearly did not intend and I don't blame anyone for not wanting accidental horror in their favorite character's backstory.
BUT I dislike it and think it's somewhat ignorant when the people who choose to interpret the scene more innocently call those who interpret it as sexual harassment dramatic or stupid or SJWs or brainless Snape stans or whatever. I can't stand Snape but I think that what James did to him was inappropriate and went beyond normal bullying.
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(Anonymous) 2018-06-23 04:02 am (UTC)(link)But regardless of level of bullying involved, it isn't ignorance so much as it is values dissonance - at the time Rowling would have been coming up through school, pantsing someone was not considered sexual assault. Hell, outside a few advocacy circles, it wasn't considered sexual assault at the time OotP was written. It's not ignorance to fail to predict a shift in opinion.
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(Anonymous) 2018-06-23 04:20 am (UTC)(link)There's a difference between running up to someone and pulling down their pants and forcibly holding them in place and exposing them in front of everyone.
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(Anonymous) 2018-06-23 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, that makes a huge difference IMO and that's why I think what Rowling wrote was ignorant instead of just old-fashioned. IRL I think pantsing (in the sense of running up to someone, yanking down their pants, and quickly running off) is still not okay, but it wouldn't shock me to hear about people pantsing each other and it's definitely less severe than what happened in that scene, which was James holding Snape down and exposing his underwear. Hearing about the latter is what would shock me. For one, the victim of a pantsing is typically unrestrained and can quickly pull their pants back up and make a retreat if they need to. The fact that James was forcibly holding Snape in place makes the events of that flashback cross a line.
However, that's also why I say I don't think her intent was to write James crossing that line. I do really think she (in my opinion, ignorantly) thought that what she was writing was no worse than if she had written James pantsing Snape. So, again, I'm not saying that people who choose not to interpret that scene as crossing a line are terrible. I just think they're wrong to roll their eyes at people who do interpret that scene as crossing a line.