[ SECRET POST #4236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4236 ⌋

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

MTE. If the OP is sincere in their statement that they are better about it now (which presumably means they support and maybe even advocate for non-straight people IRL), who the hell cares if they don’t like slash? No one is required to like or read a particular style of shipping to prove they’re an ally. And for what it’s worth, as someone who has had multiple slash ships over the years, there are more than a few hypocritical fetishists in fandom who are incredibly homophobic regarding actual LGBT+ people. So frankly there are a lot of reasons to dislike slash fandoms without having to defend yourself against accusations of homophobia.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, not liking slash doesn't make one a bigot. And liking slash doesn't make one an ally. I've had bad relationships with straight people who talked good game about their love of m/m erotica but still had the same-old biases where it really mattered.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I think the reason that they dislike it is pertinent? Slash itself is unimportant, but the way that OP phrased it makes it kind of sound like they sort of still harbor some of the same feelings as before. And that's not great.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I don't think reasons are of paramount importance here. Certainly the people here rushing in to dogpile the anon over shipping preferences are acting with the best intentions, but I'm deeply convinced that sort of thing from straight people is more performative than effective. (Yes, I know some of the people joining in on this topic are also LGBTQ.)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I’m one of the anons replying to OP that their belief that being gay (and presumably LGBT+) is disgusting is creepy. And I’m not a big slash fan and am sometimes creeped out by the “omg two hot dudes fucking are better than one because ew yuck women” subset of slash fans. Which, to be fair, does seem to be shrinking.

I don’t really care about their attitudes toward fic. It’s their belief that being gay is disgusting that’s frightening. Especially if they’re telling the truth that they’re writing a book with a gay MC that they love. And even more so if the taboo kinkiness of existing while gay is a turn on for them because they find gay people disgusting. Really hoping none of those replies is the OP.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

"Writing a book" anon was a different anon.

To quote the OP, "I behave better in real life." That's the important thing, not their opinions on slash, which don't matter. And not my or your opinions on slash, which also don't matter. Instead of asking exactly what "I behave better in real life" really means, y'all are doing a performative dogpile on an absolute nobody over shipping wank. And I'm just fucking tired of how superficially political fanwank is sucking all of the air out of actual politics.

And sure, if "call-outs" of nobodies makes you feel better, I guess go right ahead. But I'm not giving out ally cookies when people engage in performative slacktivism in support of a genre that's frequently homophobic in practice.

[(Anonymous)]

You say "And not my or your opinions on slash, which also don't matter" as if you didn't constantly throw your opinion about the evils of slash around like it was the only opinion that mattered.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I write slash and I discuss slash as a form of queer commentary on media genres and franchises that have historically been deeply heterosexist (like Star Trek.) But if you're pissed off that I don't give a rubber stamp of approval to uke/seme, tinhatting, or how LGBTQ-created work gets marginalized, learn to live with disappointment.

But, while I'll express my opinion in these discussions here, I'm not all that interested in organizing tumblr shame brigades over shipwars either. We have a general election in three months and I fail to see how shaming a young adult with a few dozen followers benefits me or my community.

[(Anonymous)]

I find it fascinating how many strawmen and baseless assumptions about others you manage to cram into your comments here.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not going to respond to personal attacks. Have a nice afternoon nonnie!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's a federal case, and the idea of "criticizing" it is probably flawed, but I would hope the OP would be self-reflective and self-critical and think about where they're coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

" (which presumably means they support and maybe even advocate for non-straight people IRL)"

That is one hell of an assumption.

And "icky nasty slash fans are hypocritical fetishists persecuting this innocent ally who sees slash for what it really is :(" is one hell of a hot take.

[(Anonymous)]

"icky nasty slash fans are hypocritical fetishists persecuting this innocent ally who sees slash for what it really is :("
Yep, because that's what I said.

It's also one hell of an assumption that that isn't what OP means by their comment. Without more context, neither one of is necessarily right.

[(Anonymous)]

So if you recognize that there's not enough context to damn or defend this person, why were you trying to defend them by claiming that they actively support LGBTQ people irl?

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you trying to condemn by claiming they don't?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't, just said that your claim was an assumption with no grounds in reality.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it was an interpretation based on the OP's own words. It was also qualified by the word "presumably" to indicate it was not necessarily an accurate interpretation. Arguably, you're reading far more into my post than I am into the OP's secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Says the person this offended over a comment telling them their "interpretation" isn't actually supported by "OP's own words" any more than the opposite of their interpretation is.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you done with this childish "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument yet?

[(Anonymous)]

There is "not liking slash" and then there's "side-eying slash because it exists."

I'm fine with the first, but the second? Yeah, no, and I'm gonna assume that even if OP "behaves better" they're still a judgmental bigot even outside fandom.