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⌈ Secret Post #4243 ⌋

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How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

Like race, gender, age, and so forth. Are you more okay with one kind of change than another? What do you think is often done wrong with these kind of things? What's an example you like?

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[philstar22]

I'm fine with it for members of minorities who don't get to experience characters like themself often. I side-eye it for straight white men because there are a zillion straight white male characters.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[greghousesgf]

depends on the character and the change

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

In general, it's fine. I guess you should be careful about changing POC to non-POC in contexts where POC is a relevant conceptual category, but as a general rule, I like it and I think it's good. I think it's an interesting interpretation or re-imagining that you can do really cool things with. It's good. It's generally more interesting the more thoroughly you go into the underlying logic of the character, but yeah, it's cool, I like it.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Also applies to making a disabled character able bodied, ie making Shaun Murphy from The Good Doctor a neurotypical.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t really care when it’s fans doing it unless it’s changing a minority character to the default—disabled to not, POC to white, and so on, and even then I just roll my eyes and move on. It’s when professional creators do the same that I get kind of mad.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[morieris]

Non-POC to POC = Fine
POC to Non-POC = Don't show it to me.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

What about POC to POC?

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[morieris]

Ehhhhh.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly don't care what fans do. If someone wants to write a canonically gay character as straight, then I'll just ignore them. It won't change the fact that the character is gay in canon. And if it's a significant attribute that seriously effects how the person acts and the fan changes it, then that's just bad writing. But if someone changes it, and everything's still in character and its done well, then great I'm here for it.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character? /

[(Anonymous)]

I love reading peoples' autistic/mental illness/invisible disability/gender (trans/nb/intersex) headcanons for characters. The best ones are usually by people who live those realities.

I love them up until the person who makes the headcanon tries to push it at the canon creators or hating on everybody who refuses to abide by the headcanon.

So headcanons you post/draw/write about for funsies = Okay

Headcanons you shove at people as if they are canon = Not okay

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character? /

[(Anonymous)]

This is how I feel about it too.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind at all unless they delude themselves into believing it is 100% canon and start fighting and harassing people who don't see it that way.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

Harassment is bad

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Depends on motivation and execution. Slashing, queering, or gender-bending characters in what is still overwhelmingly heterosexual media is a really amazing thing. Recasting cinema Nick Fury or Heimdall in order to piss of Marvel "SJWs," I'll pass.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's stupid, period. It's a lazy-ass way to try to score SJW brownie points and look woke without actually putting in any effort to support actual canon representation, like, you know, creating fanworks for or talking about the minority characters who already exist in the canon or supporting creators who are making works featuring minority characters.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, yes, just ignore what you like and take the breadcrumbs thrown at you. That's what you need to do!

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

But what if people are doing it for a reason other than "scoring SJW brownie points" or "looking woke"

also, what if you can do that while also liking existing minority characters and multiple different fandoms at the same time

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

It depends. If there's genderswap or trans characters when that isn't canon I scroll on past bc that's not my thing. Same thing goes for making POC characters white, bc in my fandom there are boocoo White characters and not many POC. I don't like it when canonical bad guys are woobified to the point of glossing over or outright ignoring the awful shit they do (although I don't have a problem with bad guys getting wooby over each other while doing bad things, i.e. Kylux).

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I will defend to the death a fan's right to write nonbinary asexual autistic Steve Rogers.

Just don't expect me to read what they write, or be overly interested in discussing fandom with them, because our interests are very unlikely to align.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I absolutely adore it in a "what if" or AU context. It's incredibly fun and interesting and people can get very creative with it. I absolutely hate it when people do the -bending and then act like anyone who doesn't accept said -bending as canon are literally evil.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I generally don't GAF, but I do side eye gender-flipping when both characters were originally one sex and suddenly one was 'always a girl' or 'always a guy' (don't see this one too much tbh) because it screams of gender flipping in order to keep a relationship you like without having the ~icky gay~.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't generally like it because it's usually just a cosmetic change rather than an interesting AU and way of exploring how changing a significant aspect of a character alters the story. It just feels lazy.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

In theory, I have no issue with fans' headcanons or AUs (If it's a valid interpretation/the source material doesn't directly contradict it, it's a headcanon. If it's directly contradicted by the source material, it's an AU.)

In execution -- meh? I've seen it done really well. I've also seen it done really poorly. Some of it might as well be called "Fun With Stereotypes." Every canon character who does not 100% embrace gender roles will be headcanoned trans, because if you were AMAB, you can never be truly girly, I guess. However, most of the stuff that's done poorly is more on the harmless side, so it's not so much that I'm not okay with it as it is that I am going to back-button right the heck out. You want to "headcanon" that Tony Stark is actually a 19-year-old girl masquerading as a middle-aged man through the judicious use of Life Model Decoys and body doubles for reasons? You do you, but I'm out.

Re: How do you feel about fans changing a significant attribute of a character?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't like it and I ignore it/block it.