[ SECRET POST #588 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #588 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

156, 157, 175

[pikabot]

156. Well aren't you a special snowflake.

157. The Phantom was a crazy stalker dick, and she hated him. Actually, in the book, she seriously goes on at length for a full page and a half detailing how horrible living with him is.

Pardon me if I think she made the smart decision.

175. I fucking love the suit/trainer combination.

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[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Ditto this.

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[cdaae.livejournal.com]

She didn't hate him. Actually in the book she goes on at length about the complexity of her feelings for him, says very specifically that she does not hate him, and talks about how her feelings for him confuse and scare her because she dare not admit them even to herself.

Unless you only read some version that was abridged for kids, or something.

Re: 157

[pikabot]

If I read an abridged version then the abridgers failed pretty hard.

Admittedly it's been a few years since I read it (it was a horrible, horrible book, I will never pick it up again as long as I ever live) but from what I recall there was a page and a half about how horrifyingly creepy he was followed by a few sentences tagged on about how he was at the same time so pathetic that she felt sorry for him.

Re: 157

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

Well, there are a few very abridged versions which definitely fail very hard, and the version most commonly in print (because the translation is out of copyright) misses out a few chunks but doesn't even admit it's abridged - but even in that version she very specifically says she doesn't hate him.

Re: 157

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

Ahh, found the line I was looking for.

(When Raoul asks her who she loves. Would she love Erik if he did not fill her with horror? If he were not hideous?)

"Unhappy, man! Why do you tempt destiny Why do you ask me about things I hide deep in my conscience the way I would hide a sin?"

As the OP says below, Christine's feelings are far more complex than just "I feel sorry for him and I'm scared of him".

Re: 157

[pikabot]

I seem to recall context giving that the opposite meaning of what you're suggesting, a few paragraphs later, but whatever. It was a horrible book and I'm not digging through it again to argue over a moot point with you. No matter how you slice it, even if she thought he was the greatest thing since ghost blowjobs, he'd still be a horrifyingly creepy, controlling stalker and staying with him would still not be an intelligent decision on her part in any way shape or form.

Re: 157

[(Anonymous)]

"I seem to recall context giving that the opposite meaning of what you're suggesting"

LMFAO at someone who read the book once and probably not even a complete translation saying this to realcdaae of all people.

Re: 157

[misfratz.livejournal.com]

"(it was a horrible, horrible book, I will never pick it up again as long as I ever live)"

That would be why it's widely regarded a classic, right?

D00d, you might dislike it, but it is actually an extremely interesting book, using a journalistic style to rework a gothic novel theme. Though I can see how you would have problems with a lot of literature if you really can't cope with complex emotional reactions that involve both fear and admiration.

Re: 157

[pikabot]

Just because something's considered a classic doesn't mean it's good. Much like how the fact that the National Art Gallery dropped 1.8 million dollars on the Voice of Fire doesn't make it a good painting.

I will admit that the journalism angle was interesting, except that half the time the writer plain forgot about it and wrote the book as normal.

Re: 157 OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yes exactly, and she goes back to spend more time with him voluntarily.

Re: 157 OP

[pikabot]

Because she was afraid of him fucking killing people.

Re: 157 OP

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

Again, not actually what she says in the book. :)

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[alleykitten.livejournal.com]

Did we read the same book?

157 OP

[(Anonymous)]

"Oh, I hate him!" cried Raoul. "And you, Christine, tell me, do you hate him too?"

"No," said Christine simply.

"No, of course not....Why, you love him! Your fear, your terror, all of that is just love and love of the most exquisite kind, the kind which people do not admit even to themselves," said Raoul bitterly. "The kind that gives you a thrill, when you think of it. ... Picture it: a man who lives in a palace underground!" And he gave a leer.

Re: 157 OP

[pikabot]

OK, let me rephrase that, then: she hated living with him, which she made emphatically clear. In fact, IIRC, immediately following that passage you've so selectively picked out, she refutes his claims and just basically said that even though he's a massive dick, he's sad and pathetic and so she can't bring herself to hate him.

Re: 157 OP

[(Anonymous)]

I can see why a lot of people, in the fandom and outside of it, think she made the right choice, but I think you are way oversimplifying far more complex feelings.

Re: 157 OP

[pikabot]

I don't! And even assuming that she did harbor hidden feelings for him as you are arguing, I don't see how that would turn her staying with her creepy, controlling, douchebag stalker into an intelligent or laudable decision. Actually, I'm sort of disturbed by the fact that people act like it would.

Re: 157 OP

[(Anonymous)]

My copy seems to leave out the "massive dick" part.

Re: 157 OP

[pikabot]

Really? because I seem to have a copy with a page that contains at least a dozen droppings of the word 'horrible'.

Re: 157 OP

[(Anonymous)]

All True Phans know the Phantom has a massive dick!!

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[(Anonymous)]

If you'd paid attention you'd known she didn't make that decision, he sent her away. :)

Re: 157

[pikabot]

...yes? And? When did I ever say that he didn't?

Re: 157

[(Anonymous)]

"Pardon me if I think she made the smart decision."

Not her decision.

Re: 157

[pikabot]

Try reading it in the context of the secret, and not being such a pedantic ass.