[ SECRET POST #4315 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4315 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying it's mainstream, but I think it's part of a continuum with things that are mainstream. The existence of fanfic is more well-known, the idea of shipping is familiar to more people and is recognizable in a way that it didn't used to be, and the language of pop-culture conversation and reporting is based around fandom concepts in a way that's increasingly inescapable.

Novel-length fanfics don't have to be an everyday thing to say that people are more familiar with and think more in terms of fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I think that's arguable. It's quite a long continuum, though. I also draw the distinction between "people have heard of this thing fanfiction" and "fanfiction is now mainstream".

[(Anonymous)]

"Fandom is mainstream" is different from "fanfiction is mainstream".

And I think that fandom being part of a continuum with totally mainstream pop culture is actually a real, significant change in its own right, compared to where fandom really used to be its own entity that was looked on as alien by most mainstream culture.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh. Yes and no, IMO. Fandom doesn't consist solely of fanfiction, but fanfiction is a huge part of fandom. It doesn't make sense to me to claim that one is mainstream... except for this rather significant part of it, which isn't, but overall it's still mainstream.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's a binary thing where something is either mainstream or not. It's relative.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. If I order a cheese pizza and half of it has sausage on it, is it still a cheese pizza? That's how I look at it. Parts of fandom are more mainstream now. But I wouldn't call fandom mainstream as a whole.

[(Anonymous)]

If I order a cheese pizza and half of it has sausage on it, is it still a cheese pizza?

No, but it's not not a cheese pizza, either, is it

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe we should ask a vegetarian whether or not they'd consider a pizza with half sausage a cheese pizza?

[(Anonymous)]

What do vegetarians know about it more than I do

[(Anonymous)]

For starters, they know that if they order a cheese pizza, it'd better not have any other toppings on it besides cheese, otherwise it's not a cheese pizza. :)

[(Anonymous)]

OK. I order a half-sausage half-cheese pizza, and then I give you a slice from the cheese half. Haven't I give you a slice of cheese pizza?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT I'll trade my popcorn for a slice of that pizza.

[(Anonymous)]

Arguably. But you're really going to look at the whole pizza that's 50% sausage and say, "This is a cheese pizza"?

[(Anonymous)]

But can you justify why this specific analogy applies to fandom rather than something with a more blatant gradient, like "is this a collection of sand grains or a pile of sand"? It seems like you're trying to justify saying that the definition of "mainstream" isn't a gradient by explicitly analogizing it with something that isn't a gradient, without justifying why that analogy is valid in the first place. You're assuming your conclusion by the choice of analogy you made.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT: So a better pizza analogy is that fanficcers are the ham-and-pineapple people. It's been around for decades but most pizza lovers are kind of "nope not my thing," and now they're complaining that pizza isn't mainstream unless ham-and-pineapple is mainstream, in spite of Disney and Warner making billions selling deeply nerdy franchises and nostalgia to general audiences.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as someone who has dietary restrictions (not related to sausage, but for the sake of the analogy, we'll pretend), no. You've handed me a piece of sausage and cheese pizza that happens to have no sausage physically on it...probably, unless there's sausage lurking under the cheese, which is often the case with pizza toppings. If you told me what it was before handing it to me, I'd decline it, and if you tried to pass it off as something I could eat without getting sick and I found out - quite possibly by getting sick - I'd be seriously pissed.

[(Anonymous)]

Fanficcers have an overly inflated view of their importance within fandom compared to other activities like discussion, obsessively watching, or collecting merchandise. Sure it's a fandom tradition, but not something that the parent who buys everything Frozen or Star Wars for their kids necessarily are into.

I see people going to work on the bus with Pokemon keychains and Marvel phone cases, which is something that you just didn't do before the MCU became HUGE.

[(Anonymous)]

Fanfic has gone from a dirty little secret spread around via xeroxed newsletters among friends to the dirty little secret that we ask actors to read for laughs on late-night talkshows.