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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-11-06 06:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #4325 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4325 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
That was bad. It was also 15 years ago in a totally different media, cultural, and social landscape. The fact that we take domestic abuse more seriously now is a good thing.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt +1

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Also the main fanbase were kids and teens when PoA came out, people have more knowledge and are going to judge things differently as adults then when they were 13.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I cannot beLIEVE that these 12-year-olds weren't deeply knowledgeable about Oldman's history of alcoholism and abuse!!!!
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[personal profile] anarchicq 2018-11-07 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
People were teens when 21 Jump Street series came out.
People were teens when Nightmare on Elm Street came out.
People were teens when Edward Scissorhands came out.
People were teens when PotC came out.

Depp's fanbase has always been teens. Oldman's fanbase was never teens. He was always "That weird guy, or the villain, or the old guy. Sometimes all three!"

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
The *HARRY POTTER* fanbase.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
Not to defend Oldman but Depp’s abuse came out at a time where information was more widely accessible and in an era where violence against women is taken more seriously. Not only that once it came out people went digging through the interviews with Winona Ryder and it started to click. Oldman’s abuse was over a decade ago and it’s not like he has any fresh allegations around nor was his case so wildly publicized like idk Sean Penn.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
What's the excuse for Josh Brolin as Thanos then?

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Don't ask me, I didn't watch Infinity Wars

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure that applies to everyone else passing judgement on Rowling.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know. All I can speak for is myself.

That said, I do think there's a valid position to say that you dislike Brolin and are angry that the producers cast him but are still willing to watch Infinity War, the same way that you can say that you dislike Depp and are angry the producers cast him but are still willing to watch Beasts. There's a lot of different places where you can draw your personal lines. It's complicated.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
I don’t marvel but the reason Rowling gets shit on is because she never STFUs about justice/being woke and when people called her out on it she blocked them. Add onto the fact that motherfuvking Harry Potter himself DanRad said what the shit at Depp’s casting made her look worse. No one at Marvel pretends to be woke or have commented on Hollywood scandals. Who are they going to ask? Most marvel actors have shown their asses on multiple occasions and Fiege is a known republican. No one was under any allusions marvel was “woke”. (They’ll lie and eat up shit like black panther and captain marvel but wholeness was never at the forefront of marvel like JKR promoted HP was)
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[personal profile] anarchicq 2018-11-07 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
I mean... The James Gunn fiasco though?

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
DA James Gunn getting fired was surely more because because of his anti-Trump tweets than offensive tweets that are more than four years old.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
James Gunn is a different ballpark and Disney knew exactly what they were doing when they hired a man who had his start with Troma films. Not only that they kotowed to an actual alt-righter who is on a whole other level of James Gunn. Disney/Marvel fucked themselves hard with that.

(Anonymous) 2018-11-07 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
This, David Heyman commented by basically calling AH a liar, so JKR afterwards defending him and buying his boat pretty much indicates her agreement, which is in keeping with her previous attitude towards women (calling out celebutantes for being poor role models while staying hush on famous men and their far more dangerous behaviour) but doesn't fit in with her desire to be seen as woke on twitter.

Marvel not commenting is what I'd expect from a corporation that doesn't give a shit, but it was probably smarter. When they/Disney sacked James Gunn for 'moral' reasons is where they showed their ass, because it leaves them open for people to call out their hypocrisy in repeatedly hiring actors and directors who've actually committed crimes.