[ SECRET POST #4350 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4350 ⌋

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Comments

[nightscale]

Agreed, also less Hades as the Big Bad of all Greek mythology when he was mostly just a grumpy loner. Zeus is the cause of most of the problems in the legends, that or his kids, or Hera.

[philstar22]

This much this. What makes Hades interesting to me is that he isn't evil. I'm all about the idea of death gods who aren't evil (even fictional versions, I love Mandos in Tolkien). And yes, Zeus and Hera were the worst of the gods, which makes it hilarious to me that they were on top.

[nightscale]

The underworld also isn't hell, it's just where you go when you die, yeah it's got the bad part, but it's also home to the Elyssian fields which are like super-awesome.

Every time in media: IT'S A PLACE FULL OF EVIL AND FIRE.

Me: ugh.

[philstar22]

Yup. It is weird, because Hades is supposed to the place where everyone goes where they die (meaning in Christian terms it would be heaven and hell combined). Most people don't think heaven is fiery and evil, so why would you translate all of Hades to be that?

[nightscale]

I'm guessing it's because it's being viewed through a Christian lens and as a result underworld=bad because it's sounds vaguely ominous and Hades himself wearing a lot of black, when as you said: it's just where you go when you die, it's neutral.

I think the same thing would happen to Osiris+Anubis and the underworld wrt Egyptian mythology if it was as wildly adapted as Greek mythology is.

[philstar22]

Makes sense. Also I think the "under" part of underworld helps since a lot of people think of hell as literally down and heaven as literally up when it was never meant to be literal like that. So the underworld is below, must mean that is hell, even though it includes everyone.

[nightscale]

Oooh good point, that's probably got something to do with it as well.

[(Anonymous)]

that IS what happens to Anubis in The Mummy Returns!

[philstar22]

Which is hilarious because Anubis wasn't even the main death god. I also found it funny when Stargate made him seem uber important. Yes, alien and not actual god. But still, why would the Goa'uld Anubis take that name and not the name of Osiris, who was way more important?

[(Anonymous)]

Yup- Anubis lead you on your the way to weigh your heart against the feather of Ma'at, after ones death. Ma'at was the one who oversaw the weighing- Osiris, /though not alone/ listened to your voice as your soul was to be weighed- if you failed, you were fed unto the jaws of Amut;;

I'm a fan of the original Star Trek, so I assume that Stargate was making some kind of reference when featuring Anubis. /im probably wrong/ when they featured Apollo as the last remaining god holding out for human contact. Of course I haven't watched the episode in ages, but it was the first thing I thought out when you mentioned stargate;;

[sparklywalls]

Some of the later sources do start to blur the lines and we get an underworld set up that's starting to sound suspiciously Christian.

But I doubt it's the sources causing the problems. In a lot of western media you gotta have a bad guy and death is bad therefore make the god of the dead the bad guy and ignore any nuances about how people back then viewed death and dying.

[(Anonymous)]

AHHHHHHH~~~!!!!!!!!
Yes!!! Both of you are amazing~!

Right;; I literally typed out a whole 'history' lecture to respond to this, but- I'll refrain~;; //ancient greek beliefs are basically my favourite thing- but then you mentioned egypt;; and that is like my literal favourite thing~ so...//
(like I can't even find the words to type normally on a good day, so I'm sure you can imagine otherwise;;)

Basically, yes~!
(I cant say nothing, so I'll say that egyptian beliefs are less distorted /though still less understood/ than the greeks, because the holy roman empire were the ones to force a singular religion on 'their' world- while greek and roman myths aren't the same, they were similar enough to fall into the same spiral of disbelief, while attempting to prolificate itself to the newly enforced religion of christianity, even if they weren't the number one ideal;;)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, his most popular myth is about how he abducts Persephone, which was a pretty not nice thing to do.

[nightscale]

For sure, I'm not calling him a nice dude, he's not, but he's also not the instigator of most of the problems in Greek mythology.

[(Anonymous)]

True!

[(Anonymous)]

Of course, but Persephone is the Goddess of spring, of rebirth. Her story is the telling of the seasons, Hades is able to keep her half the year (fall, and winter), before returning her to her mother, Demeter, who then revitalizes the land, (spring, and summer).
While Hades does steal her away, these are the Greek Gods we're talking about. Zeus himself is knowing of the entire situation, but stays out of it until Helios is guilted enough to reveal to Demeter what happened. Even then Zeus makes a half-assed excuse he knows wont solve anything. Persephone is manipulated into staying with Hades half the year, but he still allows her to leave to stay with her mother...
Hades wasn't the only one with his eyes on Persephone, he was just the only one who managed to capture her. Yes, it's bad, but Greek myth is so full of situations like these that Hades stealing her is at least sorta reproachable in this situation, given that it's an early story with a purpose, (explaining the seasons), and that he gives her back for half the year.
Demeter would no doubt keep her if she wasn't willing to return her back unto the underworld.