[ SECRET POST #4350 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4350 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

15. https://i.imgur.com/2Sy3E39.jpg

[nightscale]

Agreed, also less Hades as the Big Bad of all Greek mythology when he was mostly just a grumpy loner. Zeus is the cause of most of the problems in the legends, that or his kids, or Hera.

[philstar22]

This much this. What makes Hades interesting to me is that he isn't evil. I'm all about the idea of death gods who aren't evil (even fictional versions, I love Mandos in Tolkien). And yes, Zeus and Hera were the worst of the gods, which makes it hilarious to me that they were on top.

[nightscale]

The underworld also isn't hell, it's just where you go when you die, yeah it's got the bad part, but it's also home to the Elyssian fields which are like super-awesome.

Every time in media: IT'S A PLACE FULL OF EVIL AND FIRE.

Me: ugh.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, his most popular myth is about how he abducts Persephone, which was a pretty not nice thing to do.

[nightscale]

For sure, I'm not calling him a nice dude, he's not, but he's also not the instigator of most of the problems in Greek mythology.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course, but Persephone is the Goddess of spring, of rebirth. Her story is the telling of the seasons, Hades is able to keep her half the year (fall, and winter), before returning her to her mother, Demeter, who then revitalizes the land, (spring, and summer).
While Hades does steal her away, these are the Greek Gods we're talking about. Zeus himself is knowing of the entire situation, but stays out of it until Helios is guilted enough to reveal to Demeter what happened. Even then Zeus makes a half-assed excuse he knows wont solve anything. Persephone is manipulated into staying with Hades half the year, but he still allows her to leave to stay with her mother...
Hades wasn't the only one with his eyes on Persephone, he was just the only one who managed to capture her. Yes, it's bad, but Greek myth is so full of situations like these that Hades stealing her is at least sorta reproachable in this situation, given that it's an early story with a purpose, (explaining the seasons), and that he gives her back for half the year.
Demeter would no doubt keep her if she wasn't willing to return her back unto the underworld.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry but as much as I like this idea of Athena, I always think of the time she sent a giant snake to kill a guy's children so that the Trojans would accept the Trojan Horse

[(Anonymous)]

It worked, didn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

I can't argue with that

[(Anonymous)]

The planning type warriors are often nastier in a lot of ways than the fighty type warriors. Strategists are often the ones suggesting things like 'lets poison the wells to soften up the defenders' or 'lets catapult rotting corpses over the city walls and let disease do a lot of the work' or 'lets murder some people to leverage the social situation into one where they'll allow our saboteurs to enter'. The fact that it was a nasty plan doesn't really change that it was an effective one, and that's all a strategist trying to win a war really needs.

Also, you know, Greek god. Nasty sort of comes with the territory.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, you know, Greek god. Nasty sort of comes with the territory.

It's certainly true, but it feels like there's a mismatch between that, and the way that we culturally think of them.

Even with people who are aware of that, we still mostly seem to take them humorously at worst, like these things are just normal foibles and flaws, rather than thinking of the Greek pantheon as warlords and instruments of terrifying fates and forces

[(Anonymous)]

All depends on which version of the Trojan War you're talking about (as with most of the myths), but in the juciest versions, pretty much all the big name gods are causing rape and murder to get their pawns in place. Trojan War as a myth is pretty interesting, it's really about the gods playing one big game of chess with each other, dividing themselves into two teams. Of course, humans do most of the worst stuff on their own without any prodding from the divine.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I've always liked that these gods are basically petty humans with superpowers. Who would expect them to be perfect and benevolent all the time?

[(Anonymous)]

I always found Athena to be a dick. She's just as self-centered as the rest of the gods. Which to me was always the point of the Greek gods, they're all just mortals but with ridiculous power levels so they've never had anyone to tell them 'no'. The best Greek gods were the ones that did their own things and left the mortals alone. Having a Greek god notice you was never going to end well for you no matter who you were. They were far too careless with their toys and easily bored.

Which is why the Greek gods make for great stories but would have been sucky to get stuck worshiping irl.

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely agree with you, OP!

[ayebydan]

So many Greek gods and such have multiple feats to their name and so often are reduced to one and it bugs me each time. With Roman gods too. which are basically the same with new names

[(Anonymous)]

Literally the same with new names;;
+1

[dahli]

That would be really nice, but my guess is that they don't bring it out often because of Ares being the god of war.

But yes, that would be really cool.

[philstar22]

He's a different type of war god, though. He's all about straight up violence. She's the strategy one. So there is room for both.

[(Anonymous)]

She's also the Goddess of Weaving.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Which makes me wonder if anyone knows any good modifications or subversions of the Arachne myth? I always like Persephone ones when I com across them, so I think there could be some good ones here too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think I've ever seen Athena portrayed as anything other than a goddess of wisdom and war. Her official accessory is a helmet and spear, and I can't think of a fictional portrayal where she doesn't have one or the other or both. I agree wisdom and the arts tends to be her most notable territories, though, probably because she was popularized in the Renaissance as such and had more use for artists than soldiers.

But at any rate, premodern pagan gods have tons of myths, legends, and attributes - but the general issue is there's no single "canon" portrayal of any of them, since interpretations of gods varied across regions and time periods. Adding syncretism to that, when people would "combine" their native gods with local/neighboring gods, characteristics merge and change. There's no one right way to portray a pagan god that has no overarching canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Just here appreciating the image choice; I like to call that particular sculpture 'Sassy Athena' and she was my favourite thing in the Louvre. <3