[ SECRET POST #4350 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4350 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry but as much as I like this idea of Athena, I always think of the time she sent a giant snake to kill a guy's children so that the Trojans would accept the Trojan Horse

[(Anonymous)]

It worked, didn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

I can't argue with that

[(Anonymous)]

The planning type warriors are often nastier in a lot of ways than the fighty type warriors. Strategists are often the ones suggesting things like 'lets poison the wells to soften up the defenders' or 'lets catapult rotting corpses over the city walls and let disease do a lot of the work' or 'lets murder some people to leverage the social situation into one where they'll allow our saboteurs to enter'. The fact that it was a nasty plan doesn't really change that it was an effective one, and that's all a strategist trying to win a war really needs.

Also, you know, Greek god. Nasty sort of comes with the territory.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, you know, Greek god. Nasty sort of comes with the territory.

It's certainly true, but it feels like there's a mismatch between that, and the way that we culturally think of them.

Even with people who are aware of that, we still mostly seem to take them humorously at worst, like these things are just normal foibles and flaws, rather than thinking of the Greek pantheon as warlords and instruments of terrifying fates and forces

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but probably because many ancient Greeks themselves may not have really taken these myths too seriously. At least, going by writings left behind by the philosophers, there were many ways to interpret gods - whether literal embodiments of elements, cosmic forces, purely figurative creations, or, sure, actual deities that interfere with the lives of humans. Some myths may have just been folktales or parables back then, too, depending on who you asked.

Oops;; Ignore me;;

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, you have no idea what they were thinking.
I'll agree with the anon who responded to you by saying that the Greeks were unique in their beliefs/kinda. They weren't forced to believe in any particular way, given what we know about them. These Gods, and Goddesses were popular enough to invent a parallel religion within the Romans, their relics and influence exist today for a reason.

If I were to say my religious beliefs were made up of the ancient Greeks, I'd be laughed out of the room. Because popular culture considers them as myths- but only because people of power, once upon a time, decided so. As easily as people pray on a bible, if someone like Constantine decided (because christians were being completely prosecuted then, well, until he decided everyone should become one instead) that we should pick up the Iliad instead, things would be a lot different...
(I don't even know what im trying to say at this point;; but yeah... ignore me;;)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I mean, to most modern people they're not real anymore? Believers in the Greek gods are fairly rare these days. So, while you'll find people nowadays who'll acknowledge how nasty they could be, you're not going to find too many who are legitimately SCARED of them for it. They're not terrifying instruments of fate to most modern audiences simply because they're not real to most modern audiences.

Also, there was that whole Medieval-to-Victorian era romanticisation of them because of the whole love of empire and wanting to draw legendary lineages for ourselves. Ever since the Romans first claimed to be descended from Aeneas, a lot of european nations in particular liked to claim links to greek mythological lineages and classical figures. That meant there was a couple of hundred years of cultural impetus, at least in Europe, to sort of soft up their interpretations of the mythology. The legacy of that softening probably carried up into the modern period too.

[(Anonymous)]

All depends on which version of the Trojan War you're talking about (as with most of the myths), but in the juciest versions, pretty much all the big name gods are causing rape and murder to get their pawns in place. Trojan War as a myth is pretty interesting, it's really about the gods playing one big game of chess with each other, dividing themselves into two teams. Of course, humans do most of the worst stuff on their own without any prodding from the divine.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I've always liked that these gods are basically petty humans with superpowers. Who would expect them to be perfect and benevolent all the time?

[(Anonymous)]

I always found Athena to be a dick. She's just as self-centered as the rest of the gods. Which to me was always the point of the Greek gods, they're all just mortals but with ridiculous power levels so they've never had anyone to tell them 'no'. The best Greek gods were the ones that did their own things and left the mortals alone. Having a Greek god notice you was never going to end well for you no matter who you were. They were far too careless with their toys and easily bored.

Which is why the Greek gods make for great stories but would have been sucky to get stuck worshiping irl.

[(Anonymous)]

This really depends on the god/dess.
Obviously, most of their stories have to do with picking feuds with one another. Even the Trojan War begins and ends with the arguments of the gods.

If you take the story of Orpheus and Eurydice, he is given the chance to steal his love back from the underworld. His only restriction is to never look back until they both return alive. There isn't any godly intervention- Orpheus looks back, unable to hear footsteps behind him, only Eurydice hasn't come all the way through, and is fated to spend the rest of eternity apart from him in the underworld.
Most tragedies are due to the Gods dueling with one another- unless they've sparked the rage of a God, like Io/many of Zeus' lovers/etc. the Gods are hardpressed in order to treat their people like pawns. Even when they lose. there always tends to be a God behind them regardless.