[ SECRET POST #4352 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4352 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/Qu3Zdi1.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed! I actually like basically every change in Fellowship, it was pretty much a perfect adaptation, imo. I appreciate them giving Arwen more spotlight, she is basically just a footnote in the books which sucks ass. The "tied to the ring" thing was pretty cringey, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm someone who hadn't read the books before watching the movies and even I was very confused by the 'tied to the ring' thing because... why? It didn't make any sense to teen!me.

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC what they were going for was more that Arwen was sensitive and she'd given up something (I think potentially even in helping Frodo???) and the growing oppressive atmosphere was killing her.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but I'm not sure the movie was that subtle or vague. Doesn't Elrond straight up say that Arwen's life is tied to the ring?

[(Anonymous)]

The saving Frodo thing was fan speculation cause the movie never explained why she was suddenly dying. Iirc the director/writers commentary said it was because she’d given up her immortality for Aragorn.

[(Anonymous)]

I always figured that the "Arwen's fate is tied to the ring" thing meant that, because she had chosen to stay in Middle Earth and not go across the seas, she couldn't escape whatever happened with Sauron. So if the ring quest was unsuccessful and Sauron got his power back etc., Arwen was as doomed as Middle Earth was.

[tabaqui]

Me, too.

[philstar22]

I think that is what they were trying for. But the way it was worded made it sound like she had some sort of special fate tied to the Ring that wasn't true for everyone else.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree with ayrt. The film definitely made it sound like Arwen's fate was tied to the ring in a much more direct way than was true for everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsbDigj7w5c

[(Anonymous)]

I had assumed that, too, and was a bit confused why everyone was complaining like they gave Arwen's life actual magic ties to the ring. I think people just took Elrond too literally.

[(Anonymous)]

... probably because that's a very reasonable interpretation for what Elrond says and what the movie shows? I mean, in ROTK this happens:

* Aragorn has a dream/vision of a very pale, barely moving Arwen lying on a bed of dead leaves, a tear running down her cheek and saying, "I wish I could've seen him one last time". The evenstar pendant falls and shatters on the ground. This is not subtle. Not even a tiny bit.

* Elrond shows up and says:

I come on behalf of one whom I love. Arwen is dying. She will not long survive the evil that now spreads from Mordor. The light of the Evenstar is failing. As Sauron’s power grows her strength wanes. Arwen’s life is now tied to the fate of the Ring. The Shadow is upon us Aragorn. The end has come.


The reason people complain that the film gave Arwen's life actual magical ties to the One Ring is because that's exactly what the film did.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure it was more than that. If it was just a case of Arwen is going to be doomed like everyone else will be doomed, why would Elrond travel all that way to see Aragorn and deliver his message in such an ominous fashion? Elrond comes right out and says that Arwen is dying, right after a dream sequence laden with symbolic death imagery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsbDigj7w5c

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, op. I didn't like all the changes the movies made, especially in ROTK like you described. But I was actually okay with Arwen's expanded role. She and Cate Blanchett were the only elf castings that worked for me,so i have no doubt their version of Glorfindel would've been really underwhelming.

[nightscale]

Yeah I liked her being given something to do in the first movie, it's a cool scene. The 'tied to the ring' thing was like... okay? I don't hate it with seething rage, but I also don't like it.

[(Anonymous)]

I have issues with how Arwen’s role here weakened Frodo’s resistance (and in a movie trilogy when he spends half his screen time falling over, it’s important imho to give him some moments of strength) and how her role was meant to have progressed (Arwen at Helms Deep was a mess - she’s directly pitted against Eowyn, and was at one stage meant to kill the Witchking). But I do like the potential of an Arwen that’s more sort of treated like a female version of Elladan and Elrohir, as a sort of warrior trying to avenge her mother.

man Arwen dying was stupid as fuck tho.