[ SECRET POST #4354 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4354 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

15. https://i.imgur.com/vDq0RgL.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I really need to rewatch TLJ because I don't really remember much about Poe's storyline and whether or not he was right or wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they were both wrong in some regards.

[(Anonymous)]

I think both sides were somewhat right and somewhat wrong and I'm not going to engage in another 1000post argument about how one side or the other is evil

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad you took the time to comment on how you're not going to leave a comment.

[(Anonymous)]

I will comment on this topic two (2) times

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, so... he should have asked Holdo to explain wtf she was thinking instead of going off half-cocked... but she didn't have to tell him shit? So, he should have asked her for an explanation and she shouldn't have given it to him?

You realise that's pretty much what happened, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha, you are so right! I guess the secret is advocating for the plot to advance as it did, with both of them being right to do what they did...?

[(Anonymous)]

I think "If he'd just talked to his boss" means that Poe should have told Holdo about the hyperspace tracking.

[(Anonymous)]

he's a goddamn solider who just got demoted for getting people killed, he should have sat down and shut up tbh

[(Anonymous)]

They both made stupid choices because the script said they had to in order for the plot to work. If either of them behaved like an intelligent person, the movie would only have been 30 minutes long.

[(Anonymous)]

If it works in the context of the movie, then it doesn't matter if they're actually stupid or not.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, depends on what you mean by "worked". It worked, in that it moved the plot points the way the writers wanted them to. As for working with the universe and the characters, it's up for debate whether that worked out or not. Hence, OP's secret and commenters agreeing/disagreeing.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel that if the plot only works if characters behave like idiots or in out of character ways, the plot doesn't actually work. Other people may feel differently.

[analise]

Except the movie doesn't really end up leaving him portrayed as The Guy Who Was Wrong.

Holdo and Leia even have that wink-wink "I like him"/"I do to" exchange (or however it went) right before Holdo does her Big Selfless Sacrifice which...makes everything feel weird considering how she treated him for the entire movie up to that point.

I have a lot of conflicted feelings on this movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Being wrong in one specific situation doesn't mean being a terrible unlikable person in all aspects. The movie wants you to think he was wrong but also to like him. Amazing how hard that concept is to grasp for so many people.

[chamonix]

This. TLJ is about how one person can be many conflicting things at once. Rey can be on the heroine's journey and want to save the world, but still be drawn to the Dark Side. Finn can be warm and funny and an amazing friend, but still instinctively turn tail and abandon the Resistance if things get too hot. Rose can be nervous and stuttery and mourning and in grief, but still stand up to the Stormtrooper captain and commit acts of tremendous bravery. Kylo Ren can be an emotionally crippled murderous psychopath, and still talk about vulnerable feelings with a girl while they tremblingly touch hands by a campfire. Luke can be Luke, but still be jaded and afraid. Holdo can be authoritarian and hard, but still sacrifice everything for her cause. Poe can be passionate and caring, and still be a hotheaded jerk. It's one of the reasons I love this film so much.

[(Anonymous)]

All Star Wars characters with force sensitivity have been drawn to the dark at one point or another. It's not new. Friendships that included betrayal and remorse are also nothing new in Star Wars (Lando Calrissian ring any bells?)
Karmic heel-face-turns? Nothing new. See Darth Vader. Reluctant hero after not wanting to be involved? Han Solo. And so on. So I don't get why any of the character developments in TLJ are supposed to be so revolutionary even though they've been there before.

[chamonix]

I agree, it's always been a feature of Star Wars. I think it stands out more in TLJ though because some of dichotomous character traits came looong after people had already made up their minds about a specific character (Luke) or misunderstood what the character was supposed to represent (Kylo, and the people who are annoyed he failed as a "scary villain" when that was clearly never his character direction to begin with).

[(Anonymous)]

True. But I think it's a bit weird in TLJ because imo, they tried so hard to subvert character expectations that it didn't feel like a logical development in some cases but more a "let's subvert it for subversion's sake". While I didn't hate TLJ, I felt a lot of the plot and character development was very dependent on "what will surprise or even piss people off the most" - no matter if it served the story or not.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a significant and good thematic justification for pretty much everything they did in the movie

I might be forgetting something though, but I definitely think that's true of EG Luke and Kylo

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like Holdo should have told him that there WAS a plan, but she was in the right to say 'you don't need or deserve to know what my plan is right now'. Like, she could have prevented some mutiny-ing, potentially, by saying 'yo I got this covered', but Poe's NOT in her circle of trust and rightly so.

I felt like it was handled really well-- it didn't feel to me like 'this character is right about everything vs this character is wrong forever', it felt like Poe, Holdo, and Leia are three people at different points along this journey. Poe doesn't have the experience, insight, and patience that these women have, he has just enough experience with wins to give him this overconfidence that leads to a downfall, and like... that's not BAD, that's something I hope teaches him a valuable lesson not only about what his limits are, but about listening to those who have that experience even when he thinks he can do more. It makes him a more dynamic character to have this arc and to have lessons he needs to learn in order to be a better hero/person. I really hope the next film continues to explore the impact this has on him and how he can grow in the wake of it.

[chamonix]

I like this take. Very insightful!